Discover the charged landscape of American politics where silence speaks volumes and ideologies clash. As we celebrate our 400th episode, we navigate through the treacherous waters of this election season, dissecting the unnerving quiet from both presidential camps during the primaries. What does this mean for the future of political discourse and voter engagement? While the abortion debate intensifies, the Republican Party grapples with Trump's murky position. At the same time, the Democrats seize the opportunity to rally their base. The complex political puzzle only deepens with Trump's perplexing remarks on Israel, leaving us to unravel the implications for domestic and international policy-making.
Amidst the partisan battles, the stance of the U.S. on Israel emerges as a contentious point, with voices like Senator Schumer and Bernie Sanders painting a diverse picture of American thought leadership. But the intrigue doesn't stop there; the episode peels back the layers of the Republican drift towards isolationism and the Democratic divide over foreign conflicts, from Ukraine to Gaza. The withholding of Mike Pence's endorsement from Trump further signals a fissure within the conservative ideology, prompting us to question the solidity of party loyalty and foresight in strategy.
The spotlight then shifts to the critical issue of freedom of speech in the face of modern challenges, such as shadow banning and online censorship. Join us as we stand in solidarity with Candace Owens, famed for her uncompromising voice and recent departure from The Daily Wire, reinforcing the crucial fight to maintain our right to speak up in society. Through these discussions, we strive to foster a world where reason and open dialogue triumph, even among the most discordant voices.
Discover the charged landscape of American politics where silence speaks volumes and ideologies clash. As we celebrate our 400th episode, we navigate through the treacherous waters of this election season, dissecting the unnerving quiet from both presidential camps during the primaries. What does this mean for the future of political discourse and voter engagement? While the abortion debate intensifies, the Republican Party grapples with Trump's murky position. At the same time, the Democrats seize the opportunity to rally their base. The complex political puzzle only deepens with Trump's perplexing remarks on Israel, leaving us to unravel the implications for domestic and international policy-making.
Amidst the partisan battles, the stance of the U.S. on Israel emerges as a contentious point, with voices like Senator Schumer and Bernie Sanders painting a diverse picture of American thought leadership. But the intrigue doesn't stop there; the episode peels back the layers of the Republican drift towards isolationism and the Democratic divide over foreign conflicts, from Ukraine to Gaza. The withholding of Mike Pence's endorsement from Trump further signals a fissure within the conservative ideology, prompting us to question the solidity of party loyalty and foresight in strategy.
The spotlight then shifts to the critical issue of freedom of speech in the face of modern challenges, such as shadow banning and online censorship. Join us as we stand in solidarity with Candace Owens, famed for her uncompromising voice and recent departure from The Daily Wire, reinforcing the crucial fight to maintain our right to speak up in society. Through these discussions, we strive to foster a world where reason and open dialogue triumph, even among the most discordant voices.
Welcome to the deroma claim show. I'm your host. Aroma claim Independent media that will not reinforce tribalism. We have one planet Nobody is leaving to. Let us reason together. Today is 321 of 2024. We have made it to episode 400.
Speaker 1:It is official the Democratic and Republican nominees have clinched clinched their Party's nomination. So we will have the race between Donald John Trump and Joseph Robert Biden. It is official we get the race that we all Did not want.
Speaker 1:What I found very troubling about the primaries was, of course, that both the it's actually interesting because you can call them both incumbents refused to debate all of their challengers. On the Left side of the flank, you had Robert Kennedy, you had dr Cornell West, you had Jill Stein, you had Marion Wilson and you had there was one other guy just getting his name now Dean Phillips, and they did not get a debate with Joseph Biden. On the right, you had Ron DeSantis, you had Chris Christie, you had Nikki Haley, you had Vivek Brahmaswamy, and they also Did not get the debate with Donald Trump. So you have this very Sad event where two people who want to leave the nation, who are both Baby boomers, both 70 and up Trump coming in at around 77, joe Biden at 81, people on both sides could talk about the cognitive capacities and so on and so forth who are saying they will not debate, and it would have been interesting because they would have had to debate people vastly, vastly Younger than them. But at any rate, now the primary is over, you are now officially in campaign season, so where you have to pay great close attention to what people say, with the issues they're going to talk about, and the media is kind of already started their games.
Speaker 1:We're going to talk about that a bit here, and one of the pressing issues that will be in this election is is unfortunately going to be the abortion issue, and this is going to be very difficult for the Republican Party because the titular head of the Republican Party, president Trump a former president Trump, I should say has not come up with a real concrete position as of late, and he tried to Fix this in a very long interview he gave where he comes out for a 16 week abortion ban, but you'll hear somewhat towards the end how he somewhat changes that up as well, and and, and. So this is also the issue that Democrats want to run on, sadly. But here we go to the former president of the United States. Donald John, I'm sorry, that was my sound board. That was just more clapping, probably because I just delivered a good speech. I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's like fertilization when fertilization you so I took the lead on that and it's actually now our subject. It's a positive. We want to help women and that could have been a very negative thing. We want to help women with row.
Speaker 2:You take a look at what was going on Abortions in the seventh, eighth and ninth month. One thing that you say is nobody wants it Killing of a baby after the baby's born. That was the governor, the ex-governor, last governor prior to this one, by the way, it's good guy the last governor of Virginia. He said you put the baby aside and you discuss with the mother whether or not, essentially, you want to kill the baby. They are the radicals. There'll be a certain, there's a certain spot. If you look at France, if you look at different places in Europe, if you look at a lot of the civilized world, they have a period of time, but you can't go out seven months and eight months and nine months and, if the Republicans spoke about it correctly, never hurt me from the standpoint of elections and it hurt a lot of Republicans. I think you have to have you have to have the three exceptions.
Speaker 1:So you hear what he's saying. When he's talked about the choices, the choices you see that he's kind of mixed up on the topic comes out for the IDF or whatever IVF in the very beginning, talks about the with the very pro-life stance and and then it's talking about some exceptions and then ends up coming out for the 16 week ban. It is his lack of the zeal that he normally has that the ump that comes behind Donald Trump Is very evident on the issue and I think that's something that Democrats are going to dig into. Because One thing you could see about the former president he says normally exactly what he thinks for Israel.
Speaker 2:Israel sticks with them. I guess Israel's a little help, maybe to a fault, because they stick with these guys. Biden is so bad for Israel they should have never been attacked. If Biden were good to Israel, they wouldn't have been attacked, but president Biden has been a strong supporter of Israel because of the terrorist attacks. If he was, if he were supportive Israel, the Iran nuclear deal would have never been signed and Israel would have never been attacked. How?
Speaker 3:well, she was, of course, the top Jewish Democrat in Washington, and he says that Nanyahu is too willing to tolerate the civilian toll in Gaza and that he's more concerned with his own political survival, and that that could make Israel a pariah. Your reaction?
Speaker 2:Well, they lost a lot of people on October 7th to people have to remember that. Oh, never, they've totally. Well, I think maybe he's forgotten it. He doesn't forget it. He looks at where do I get more votes? And I guess he's seeing, you know, the Palestinians, and he's seeing the marches and they are big. Then he says I want to go that way instead of Israel. I don't know how Israel stays with these people, I just don't know. But he obviously said I see a lot of people, people protesting out there, and they happen to be Palestinians or wherever from the Middle East, and he was probably shocked to see it and all of a sudden he dumped Israel. That's what he's doing. He dumped Israel. Well, he's not walking away.
Speaker 1:I did find this interesting and shocking, because there's a clip and it's actually very interesting Trump being very candid Talking about Israel, palestine, a few years ago, where Trump said Somewhat the same thing, where he said I don't think BB actually wants peace and he was very candid about that subject. I did, and so it seems like, at least in this aspect, that Trump is trying to Position himself To where he's going to be stronger in the support of Israel, especially when he brought up October the 7th and Said you know, they lost a lot of people on October the 7th, and I think that in that aspect, the president former president is walking himself right into the argument of so what? When is enough enough? In case? They lost Over a thousand people on October the 7th and now in the, since then, there's been about 30,000 people that have been killed. So when does the, the bloodletting become enough? When it when is when, if you're, you have exacted enough of your pound of flesh. And then what do we do after that? After we have created millions of refugees and humanitarian crisis, then what, then? What, then what?
Speaker 1:So it was very tough, and I'm gonna go into the some of the Chuck Schumer, benjamin and Yahoo stuff as well, because, like it said in that Fox News interview, just senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic majority leader in the Senate, is the top leading Jewish official in the United States of America at the moment, and so for him to be saying that Benjamin Netanyahu should be, should leave, problem, or Benjamin Netanyahu is a problem when it comes to ending the conflict, etc. Was a big deal. The, the, the next highest ranking Jewish person would be Bernie Sanders, who is somewhat not calling for him to leave, but has has said that there's a genocide going on, and so on and so forth. So this does become a problem in that context for the United States and the support of Israel, who is technically, on paper, a US ally, and the, the, the place, the, the hard place that it seems like America is in, because there are a lot of Republicans who, at this point, have been going back to being isolationist and they are not interested in the war in Israel and Gaza. They are not interested in Russia, in Ukraine, and there are a lot of Democrats who are not interested in the war in Gaza, but they are somewhat interested in the war in Ukraine. So this puts us a very difficult situations.
Speaker 1:So I was very interested in that segment really because of the positioning as well that President Biden is somehow weak on. Israel does not align with the people like AOC and Elon Omar and Rashida Tlaib and Jamal Bowman and you know a lot of the college kids and you heard we. So we saw in Michigan the hundred thousand people who voted uncommitted and they said, including far leftist documentarian Michael Moore, who said this is because of Israel. Israel is. He is losing us because of his unabashed support for Israel. So it's gonna be very difficult to to paint Joe Biden as not sufficiently pro-Israel, and I mean he's been giving armaments to them since the beginning of this conflict. He you've had those little silly things in the press, whereas, oh yes, he's very uncomfortable. He's very uncomfortable as millions and millions of dollars keep going towards it, as the armaments and weapons go there to kill civilians. So, yeah, he's, he's uncomfortable or pay in word, but not uncomfortable indeed. And so I don't really see any real daylight between Trump and Biden on the Israel Israel, palestinian conflict.
Speaker 1:And I will say this does that show that when Donald Trump was president, there was a lot of people who did believe the pro-Israeli sentiments can't work?
Speaker 1:Who is coming from his son-in-law, george Kushner, who is Jewish, and Donald Trump's daughter, ivanka, is also a Jewish convert, and this kind of shows that well, this is was not jared here, this was my former president Trump, who has these positions that we have to back Israel at all cost, and so I'm wondering where that leaves the, the Tucker Carlson wing of the Republican Party, who are not die in the, you know, dying will all in on this. The another thing that happened that would in any other circumstance, be a big deal, but in this political climate didn't even register on the Richter scale was former vice president Mike Pence coming out and doing simply now what, like I said in a normal context to be unprecedented, but in this one didn't even get a lot of press which is he is refusing and saying he will not endorse his former boss, the former vice president. It is not going to stand by the, his former, the former president, as he seeks reelection. Let's go to that go.
Speaker 4:Martha, I appreciate the question and it should come as no surprise that I will not be endorsing Donald Trump this year. Look, I'm incredibly proud of the record of our administration was a conservative record that made America more prosperous, more secure and saw conservatives appointed to our course in a more peaceful world. But, that being said, during my presidential campaign, I made it clear that there were profound differences between me and President Trump on a range of issues, and not just our difference on my constitutional duties that I exercised on January the 6th. I mean, as I have watched his candidacy unfold. I've seen him walking away from our commitment to confronting the national debt. I've seen him starting to shy away from a commitment to the sanctity of human life, and this last week is his reversal on on getting tough on China and and supporting our administration's effort to force a sale of the of the bite dads tick tock why do you think you did that?
Speaker 2:why do you think?
Speaker 5:he had that reversal on that. Before we go, sir well.
Speaker 4:I can't, I can't, speculate on it. What I can tell you is is that, in each of these cases, donald Trump is pursuing and articulating an agenda that is at odds with the conservative agenda that that we governed on during our four years so, like I said, if this would have been any normal campaign, that would have been major news.
Speaker 1:It would have been the former president. He cannot get an endorsement from his former vice president would have been earth shattering in this context.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now let me go ahead and say this. As far as what Mike Pence said, I think the problem that he runs into is this Donald Trump, as far as his public policy, has always been the same. He was exploding the debt and deficit when he was in office. The most significant legislation that he did was a massive tax cut that exploded. You know those numbers, etc. He has always been worried worried about political expediency versus a concrete policy Ideology. I should say he was always not in line with the old school conservative as far as the Reagan coalition would have been, which Mike Pence would have been more in line with, and so to act as if that Donald Trump is anything other than he always has been, I think, if for the former vice president, is somewhat disingenuous.
Speaker 1:Donald Trump, like most politicians, has always been transactional and it has been very apparent, and so the the odds at which Him and Mike Pence have been at is not anything new.
Speaker 1:So I personally don't understand why Pence just cannot say exactly what the actual truth is, which is look this person. I did nothing or said nothing, while his supporters tried to have me and my family Put in harm's way, some would even say Possibly killed the fact that he can't say that and he has to lean into all this other will. He's Changes position on China and he changes position on tick tock and he changes. Okay, that's kind of what Donald Trump does when he's being a politician he looks and sees which way the wind is blowing and he takes that stance. He really is decent at reading a room and he read the room and realized, actually, this tick tock thing is not the band, is not the wave that we think it is, and there's a funder behind him also who is trying to stop that.
Speaker 1:So it we are into campaign season, like I said before, and with campaign season comes the derangement Of the media, who we're gonna cover everything that Trump said in a crazy light. Even if it's, he may be saying something shockingly insensible, and so we had some bloodbath comments that the media ran with for a very long time, and so we're gonna listen to that, as well as some other comments that they actually miss, and and so we're gonna play that in his context right now if I had prisons that were teeming with MS 13 and all sorts of people that They've got to take care of for the next 50 years.
Speaker 2:Right, young people, they're in jail for years and if you call them people I don't know if you're calling people in some cases they're not people in my opinion. But I'm not allowed to say that because the radical left says that's a terrible thing to say. They say you have to vote against him because did you hear what he said about humanity? I've seen the humanity and these humanity. These are bad. These are animals. Okay, and we have to stop it. We can't have Another lakened. We have so many people. We have so many people being hurt so badly and being killed. They're sending their prisoners to see us. They're sending and they're bringing them right to the border and they're dropping them off and we're allowing them to come in and these are tougher than anybody we've got in the country. These are hardened criminals. I was taken over a period of 30 years.
Speaker 2:34% of the automobile Manufacturing business in our country think of it went to Mexico. China now is building a couple of massive plants where they're going to build the cars in Mexico and think they think that they're going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China, if you're listening presidency and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal those big monster car manufacturing plants that you're building in Mexico right now and you think you're going to get that. You're going to not hire Americans and you're going to sell the cars to us. Now we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line and you're not going to be able to sell those guys. If I get elected Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole. That's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it.
Speaker 1:So you guys heard those comments that made by the former president Trump, and this is how the media covered it. I and I do read a lot of articles. I have one MSNBC news or in NBC News and in his MSNBC Willie guys talking about it. It says Trump says there will be a bloodbath if he loses the election and then there's another one coming out of Like political here. It says Trump says the country faces bloodbath if Biden wins in November. Then there's another one Actually looks like CNN someone got it right. Trump says some immigrant migrants are not people and predicts a bloodbath if he loses. Well, and that is it's kind of what they did with this bloodbath kind of when it is very clear in that context he is talking about the auto industry and I'm actually sorry that that would the one that I said from CNN was from political. Trump says some migrants are not people and predicts bloodbath if he loses election. Cnn actually in this front, got it right and said Trump warns the bloodbath for auto industry and country if he loses the election and so this is just the game that they're going to be playing and we got a buckle up. We have to buckle up. Yeah, you're getting. They talk about disinformation and misinformation, but when it comes with a bit of Trump derasement syndrome, they're not. They are not a beyond telling, a little as they see this white lie for the greater good.
Speaker 1:So, jumping from that to something else, this a Woman's history month is closely coming to an end, and I had the Goal to do 25 Women from the Bible to celebrate women's history month, because I wanted to go to the root of 25 enduring stories, and so what I'm gonna do Is actually do an entire show about these, these 25 women that I think are just important. So today we're gonna talk about a Rebecca, a Determined mother, and this is gonna be from, if you from, genesis 2460. So when Isaac comes of age, abraham seeks a special bride for his son and he actually dispatches a servant to the land of Mesopotamia. The man Soon reaches the village where Abraham's brother at Nehra lives. The servant beseeches Got to bring by a perfect woman, or he. Before he even finishes speaking, nahor's granddaughter, rebecca, appears. Imagine that now she's not only very fair To look upon, but she's also a virgin, but also helps water into camels after their long journey, and she invites Abraham servants to stay in her home. There the marriage pack was was made, and she is giving a blessing in a language that, as a sign of her Importance, echoes God's promise to Abraham May you, our sister, become thousands of mirids. Many of your offsprings gained possessions of the gates of their foes.
Speaker 1:Rebecca makes her way to Canaan, where she marries Isaac. The Bible goes on to tell us that he loved her, making this the first time the Bible proclaims marital love. Yet, after 20 years together, rebecca is like her mother-in-law, sarah, and she's unfortunately not able to conceive Until God intervenes. Now, during the difficult pregnancy that follows, god tells her that the twins she bears will grow up to be two divided nations. And at their birth, isaac Loves the elder Esau, while the younger Jacob becomes Rebecca's favorite. When Jacob becomes old and His his vision dims, he summons Esau to receive his blessings, yet he tells his son to prepare a meal for him. Now Rebecca over here's and the intent of her younger receives Receiving and the benediction instead of, and she tells Jacob that she will make a meal for him to bring to his father. She didn't actually dress as Jacob in his brother's clothes and puts goat skin on him, so when his father touches him he'll feel a hairy like his brother Esau. The surfatuge works, but a dover beckons action. Jacobs receives his father's blessings and thus inheritance the mantle of the leader of the people.
Speaker 1:So it's actually Did this, versus one that I people known as Calvinist court, a lot of which would be Romans 9, but anyway, a little bit beyond the text, the early Jews participated in this thing where they practiced something called mona l'erit'y, and it was idolizing one God but allowing for the existence of many others. Hence the second commandments formulation you should have no other gods before me. One of those other deities was a Shearah, the Cretress of the gods. The Canaanite mother goddess was the consort of Ea, the supreme God of the Western Semites and Our Semites, and the coat objects related to Ashra and that was the gold figure from the 14th century BCE, and they are mentioned 30 times in the Bible. In Archaeological digs in the 1970s and 80s further reveal that Ashra and the deity we call God were worshiped at the same time.
Speaker 1:Then, in the 17th century BCE, the Judean King Wasiah purrs the temple of cold objects and, as we learned from second Kings, brought out the image of Ashra from the house of the Lord Beated to the dust, and threw it to the dust upon the graves of the common people soon after the Jews were exiled to Babylon and they solidly embraced just one God. Now, of course, rebecca we, as you heard of the story loved her younger son, jacob, more than her elder Esau. In Jacob's blessing by the 18th century Prince painter Nicholas Guy Burnett, the artist depicts Rebecca standing in the shadow of the interest of the tennis Jacob, wearing skins Of the kinds on his hands and on the smooth part of his neck. So his father Will think his neck is hairy and therefore receive his brother Esau's blessing on the screen Newsbreaks this morning from the Daily Wire CEO, jeremy Bower.
Speaker 6:He tweets, quote Daily wire and Candace Owens have ended their relationship. So this comes after a lot of internal consternation between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro that has exploded in the open. After October the 7th, candace has been quite vocal in an anti-war stance, both on Ukraine, and has carried over a lot of that consistency to the war Between Israel and Gaza. She's been particularly outspoken about civilian casualties in Gaza and has also been Sending US weapons to Israel. Now, obviously, this all broke out into the open. You'll recall a few months ago, when Ben Shapiro was asked on camera and called her comments about Israel quote Disgraceful. This led to a public spat between the two, in which Ben replied to her and said Candace, you are welcome to quit at any time. There's some speculation that that might have been to involve having to pay her out of her contract.
Speaker 6:The circumstances, obviously, of her departure are not a hundred percent clear. What we do know, though, is that it came almost immediately after a major Freak. So I guess you could say, with the ADL, let's go and put this up there. I'm just going to screen out the adl, the so-called anti-deformation league, and one of the most Sensorious organizations and pro-israel groups in the US. They put out an article stating, quote White supremacist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes is praising Candace Owen's quote vitriolic Antisemitism. It is hardly surprising, but it does set off alarm bells. When bigoted people come together to push an anti-semitic agenda, it adds fuel to the fire. So Candace replied to this. She says, quote I do not know, nick Fuentes, you already know that. What I do know is that everyone can see what you guys are doing to me. Your pattern is well established and the world is waking up against it. My crime is having stood up for myself Against your network of smears.
Speaker 6:Now Candace has particularly come under Major fires since October 7th from a lot of these major conservative media or all these conservatives organizations or Organizations like the adl, like a pack, like the Republican Jewish coalition and others have attacked her relentlessly. She has not given in. In fact has only escalated. Some of the things that she's talking about. This has led to some major debates on her channel, for example with rabbis, leading to some frankly wild discussions around what exactly constitutes Antisemitism and doesn't. But most importantly, I think, for our purposes, it does seem that she had no idea that yesterday would be her last day. We actually have a clip here that we can play from her very last daily wire appearance. She says at the end I'll see you tomorrow and she hints at the fact that some of the Consternation that she's kind of bubbling to the surface. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5:Thank everybody who has been on this journey with me, people that have supported me. I especially want to thank all the Jewish people that have been in the comments saying how outraged they are, and I know that it is especially difficult for you guys right now because you are being smeared. You know, I mean I'm I'm not gonna go away. I'm going to use my God-given voice to talk about things are important to me. I'm just asking to be left alone or at least just report the truth. Ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately that is all the time that we have for today, but don't worry, because we will see you tomorrow for a brand new episode.
Speaker 6:So, as you can see, I mean this has been a major source of tension inside the daily wire now for months and months, and months. And I think, look what, what can?
Speaker 5:we learn about this? I mean, first and foremost, it's a little bit hilarious right that this is what led to the.
Speaker 6:This is what led to the departure over at the daily wire, like Candice. Look whether you like her or not. She said a lot of things. She said a lot of controversial. She actually just did a whole segment about Brigitte Macron perhaps being a male. I haven't watched it, I haven't looked into it, just to be clear. So I don't know the merits or whatever that but my point is that all of that that was fine and that never picked up a hornest nest.
Speaker 6:It was only when she started critiquing Israeli war strategy in Gaza and talking about civilian casualties Did all of this come to the surface and, frankly, saying what I think are principled and more, or at the very least, principle principled within her framework of Looking at war at Ukraine and Israel, adopting an America first strategy, it was only that clinging to that which led to, basically, the breakup between her and this major company, and I think that we can learn quite a bit from that. I mean, there's so much to say, right. First of all, the ADL. I mean, ben Shapiro himself has gone after the ADL. I've seen innumerable daily wire segments about the ADL, centaurious and all that, and yet they're, you know, parting ways with her Immediately after the ADL incorrectly, by the way. Guilt by association, smear services, so-and-so is praising so-and-so. So you can't control that. If you want to attack somebody, then attack what they specifically said. They're using guilt by association. Now we don't know again what the exact thing that led to the breakage between them, but Prior to this, there had been not one single ounce of consternation from daily wire leadership from Candace Owens.
Speaker 6:She previously talked about it. She had a good relationship inside of the company. Look, we all know it's because of Israel. That's crazy. It's crazy that Candace Owens, who is a conservative commentator, who is working for an organization which was supposedly founded on the bedrock of free speech, speaking your mind, saying facts are facts, what is it? The facts are feelings, something like that. And by sticking to what she believes in, she is effectively out of the job.
Speaker 6:And this is an organization the daily wire which honestly I don't think they can come back from this. I'm not saying that they won't be successful and all that. Listen, I don't doubt from a business perspective can't help but respect it. But from a principal perspective, I think a lot of people are going to remember this. A lot of people are going to see kind of the double talk around cancel culture and free speech and what are real red lines and what aren't red lines.
Speaker 6:This has been a very, very revealing episode in the last six, seven months or whatever, since it's been since October 7th, and this is just the latest casualty here in America. But I think the Rift actually does tell you a lot about when you're in the institutional right, what you're allowed to talk about, what you're allowed not to Never been happier not to be a part of any organization like that. Just say whatever the hell that I want. So, anyways, thought I would give you download of some of my thoughts in this breaking news segment. Thank you, by the way, thank you to all of our premium subscribers which enabled so, anyway look, let me go ahead and be very clear and frank on this discussion.
Speaker 1:I well, in this show, have done several episodes on the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. I have that freedom and I have that right because of the people who give me money. I'm an independent news source. I don't try to reinforce tribalistic stances, and that includes people who are reported to be American allies the Shapiro and the Daily Wire, and people over there have reported themselves to be free speech absolutist, and then, when it turns out that Candace is using her free speech to, let's just say, have a critical gaze on US foreign policy, all of a sudden that free speech comes to a halt when it comes to Israel. Why is that? If I were to say the obvious, which is that Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew, then I would be labeled as anti-Semitic, but so I could just say this it seems as though Ben Shapiro is doing what he accuses other people on the left of doing all the time, which is canceling free speech and also playing identity politics. If you thought Candace Owens was incorrect in her statements, then what would happen is, if they actually believed in the principles of free speech, they would do what they were already doing.
Speaker 1:Candace Owens has debated rabbis on the topic. Candace Owens has played Jewish very, very prominent historians like, and cultural critics like, norman Ficklstein. Candace Owens sits in the belly of the beast of somebody who or sitting in the belly of the beast of somebody who disagreed with her. If Ben Shapiro thought he was right and the Candace Owens was wrong, then why didn't the debate God, ben Shapiro debate Candace Owens on the merits of the argument, versus going to Twitter and saying things and then unceremoniously firing someone instead of having the debate. I think that what he is showing is the irrationality of him in this moment. That has been seen by a lot of people. It took a cross and he even spoke about this. I have friends who, like Ben Shapiro, who say in this moment he's coming off as unhinged and irrational when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as it presents itself after the attacks on October the 7th. And now you have tarnished your brand and I don't know if they will recover from this. But I will say this I see this little game happening when it comes to free speech.
Speaker 1:All the time, people will say they believe in free speech. The most famous, richest one that we know is Elon Musk, and then you go to X, formerly known as Twitter, and you see Elon Musk engages in banning journalists all the time if they happen to say things he disagrees with. He'll say well, you have freedom of speech but not freedom of reach, so they use the algorithm to suppress certain content. How is that different than Mark Zuckerberg's shadow ban that we all say we hate? Freedom of speech means exactly what it says. Freedom of speech and if you actually believe in that principle, it is not just for speech you like. If you believe in the principle of freedom of speech, it has to be the freedom of somebody to say something you not only disagree with, but things that you find detestable. Thank you for tuning in and I will see you on the next episode.
Speaker 5:For the record, we stand with Candace.
Speaker 1:Owens on this one.