The Darrell McClain show
Independent media that won't reinforce tribalism. We have one Planet; nobody's leaving so let’s reason together!! Darrell, McClain is a Military veteran with an abnormal interest in politics, economics, religion, philosophy, science, and literature. He was born and raised in Jacksonville FL, and went to Edward H white High School where he wrestled Under Coach Jermy Smith and The Late Brian Gilbert. He was a team wrestling captain, District champion, and an NHSCA All-American in freestyle Wrestling. He received a wrestling scholarship from Waldorf University in Forest City, Iowa. After a short period, he decided he no longer wanted to cut weight which effectively ended his college wrestling journey. Darrell Mcclain is an Ordained Pastor under The Universal Life Church and is still in good standing, he's a Believer in The Doctrines of Grace Also Known as Calvinism. He joined the United States Navy in 2008 and was A Master At Arms (military police officer) He was awarded several awards while on active duty including an expeditionary combat medal, a Global War on Terror medal, a National Defense Medal, a Korean defense medal, and multiple Navy achievement medals. While In the Navy he was also the assistant wrestling coach at Robert E Lee High School. He's a Brown Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under six six-degree black belt Gustavo Machado, Darrell Trains At Gustavo Machado Norfolk under the 3rd-degree black belt, and Former Marine Professor Mark Sausser. He went to school for psychology at American Military University and for criminal justice at ECPI University.
The Darrell McClain show
Breaking Barriers: Female Leadership, Global Politics, and Unraveling Conspiracies
Could a female president truly command the respect of male leaders worldwide, especially in Islamic countries? Join us on the Darrell McClain Show, where guests Jamon and Josh bring their unique perspectives to the table, sparking a spirited debate on the potential challenges and triumphs of female leadership in global politics. From historical examples to contemporary shifts, we examine whether a conservative woman might be more likely to break this glass ceiling in the United States, considering its unique political landscape.
Our conversation doesn't stop there. We tackle the pressing border crisis and the intricate web of foreign policies, particularly those involving Venezuela and Haiti, that fuel migration to the United States. The discussion critiques the effectiveness of various administrations' border security measures and scrutinizes Vice President Kamala Harris's role against political heavyweights like Donald Trump and Joe Biden. We dive into the influence of defense contractors on American affairs, questioning the power dynamics at play and the accountability—or lack thereof—within the system.
Venturing into the realm of prophecy and conspiracy, we contemplate the prediction of a woman taking charge and question the authenticity of U.S. government processes. From controversial claims involving celebrities to the flat Earth theory, our episode offers a buffet of thought-provoking topics, laced with personal anecdotes and lighter moments to keep you engaged. Whether exploring the nature of human existence, the role of Lucifer, or the spiritual implications of a potential Earthly purgatory, this episode promises to be as compelling as it is diverse.
Welcome to the Darrell McClain Show. I'm Darrell McClain. Today is 10-3-2024. It is 842 pm. I am going to bring on these people that I talk about sometimes in the show, that they have their very unique perspectives on different topics, and so I'm going to let them introduce themselves starring with mr jimon.
Speaker 2:okay oh man, I appreciate you. I know you're talking about me. You might like me a little bit. Oh man, jim one, we're a big fan of this show and I'm gonna crush the real ass on here today.
Speaker 1:All right, so then the other person is Josh.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me on guys. I'm here to moderate. Man I'm moderating. He's going to get crushed too, y'all Don't worry, I'm over here to moderate. I got a couple of opinions of my own, but we've been trying to get this going for so long. I'm happy that we finally got it going.
Speaker 1:And Josh is the one for perspective, is the one that was a fan of Pete Buttigieg, and then I have another person on here named Katie. Do you want to introduce yourself? No, she's just here listening. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:She's listening with me, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we had a few topics we were going to talk about just kind of hobnob was a female politician becoming president of the United States and will they have respect from male leaders? I think Josh had an opinion, Jamon as well.
Speaker 2:You got it first, josh. I think the main thing about that respect is never given. We're all here, man, woman, whatever. You don't get respect until she's going to have to prove herself, just like anyone has to prove themselves in any situation. You can be a billionaire, you can be a Trump, you can be Obama, you can be a Bush, I mean, in any situation.
Speaker 2:All of those people had to prove themselves as a strong leader but that's what you can leave in the water, she can prove what never she want to, but unless you gonna be down there, the Antichrist, she'll never get respect. Well, I'm shit, it was that Obama was Antichrist, but he's a man, well, it is well. I think we're talking about a female going to an Islamic based country trying to get respect, but trying to even have a meeting, regardless of not whether she a man or woman, her not being Muslim, they're never going to have full respect. And then, on top of that, she's a man or a woman, her not being Muslim, they're never going to have full respect.
Speaker 2:And then on top of that, her being a woman you've got to add that part because that's another big part of why they won't.
Speaker 2:I don't agree with that. I mean I don't agree with that. They might not respect her, but they'll damage her fear. I mean, will they fear her or will they see her as weak? I don't think. Yeah, they might at first. They might at first, but until she started bombing this is our said troops in. I mean what, what else would? She is there. We all get me out. Y'all keep trying to bring up that, that she a woman, anyone with Becca, I mean, what make? What makes you think they should respect the people for her? They respect the US military, the US military. That has nothing to do with who's the president. Yeah, but whether they respected the president or not, the president could still pull off a meeting.
Speaker 2:They won't meet with her. They won't talk with her, she don't want to go over there anyway.
Speaker 1:So when we're talking about they, are we talking about specifically just the countries in the Middle East or are we talking about, you know, worldwide, other leaders?
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely the country that run the country which is Israel. I don't know how she got there. The Democrat, I mean, I don't think she. Well, I think I'm more specifically talking about the Middle East.
Speaker 1:Okay, Not really necessarily worried about Afghanistan.
Speaker 2:Well, even if you're just talking about the Middle East. How do they treat their women over there? Do they got a woman in power over there?
Speaker 1:Well, no, In Saudi Arabia they technically have a king, and so does the United Arab Emirates, and so does Bahrain, and so does Jordan, but they ain't ran by a queen though. And so well, they have queens, but most of the time they're just royal families Right.
Speaker 2:When the prince come up.
Speaker 1:I also think when I think about the specific topic about a female being the head of the United States. I think I said either yesterday or the day before. It crushes my specific political analysis, because I always believed that if a woman was going to be the president of the United States, the very first woman had to be a conservative. That's just somewhat. I thought she had to be a conservative backed by an old white man. Then you could have had a neoconservative, then a Democrat, then a liberal. So it's interesting, a very liberal woman being the head of the United States. But when it comes to this in a deeper thing, I think it's because America is so young Of all the countries, we're only about 247 years old, but as of right now in the world there's 25 women presidents. You know what I mean, including the woman that was just but how many of them are superpowers?
Speaker 1:But I mean, like America, y'all said Britain it earlier, so I'll give you all that what I mean is like so we talked about women presidents, so whether or not their superpowers is like superpowers come and go, but there are 8 billion people on the planet. We only have 315 million. I'm not sure how many of the other ones live in the superpowers. You know what I mean. But, like in our neighbor, just this month, mexico elected a woman to be president what did I say?
Speaker 2:you have to be to be a woman she slaughtered how many fucking people to get to that chair? She slaughtered 37 fucking candidates. She is fucking the attack right, that's my point. You gotta be a bitch that motherfuckers. She slaughtered 37 fucking candidates. She is fucking the anti-Christ that's my point. You got to be a bitch that motherfuckers going to fear if you're going to be in a seat like that. Everybody looking around the country like that bitch will chop my dick and my head off if I fuck with her.
Speaker 1:But that's what I said about Margaret Thatcher. I said so. It's not about a woman being weaker than a man. I said a woman.
Speaker 2:No, she got to show that she's Pablo. Escobar, she's going to be a cutthroat motherfucker.
Speaker 1:So out of the 247 years America has been around, we've been in a war or conflict for 215 years. So if Kamala Harris became president and she killed some people or drowned some people in order to prove she's powerful, she would just be keeping on with the trajectory of what America already does At this point that's all America got.
Speaker 2:America got to run on fear because of the dollar crashing and everything else around us, so we got to run on fear like a fucking drug cartel. But I mean?
Speaker 1:that goes back to Josh's point. If America is run on fear, it's definitely not run on fear because of who's leading it. It's run on fear because of ballistic missiles and bunker busters and Navy SEAL Team 6.
Speaker 2:I can understand that, though, see, see, see, I'm going to cut you off right now.
Speaker 1:You there, Jamal.
Speaker 2:I'm going to beat Trump. You didn't know what I was going to put you on for you there. Jamal, hey, jamal, hey, say what you said. Yeah, say what you said. In the very beginning I said what you're said is true to an extent, but at the time the Trump government, they don't want to say the football, let me go go this year, or you take something wrong. Congress, go up to the house and everything else. He might just pull that shit. Just fuck it, pull the wild card.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean yeah, the thing is saying that your bandwidth is low, so I'm not getting you in a good connection, but I understood.
Speaker 2:Y'all go ahead me, give me two minutes.
Speaker 1:give me two minutes, okay, give me like 30 seconds to get out this uh area all right, I got the gist of what you're saying um, so basically I think I agree, but what I what I'm is saying is, I think we agree from different positions. I think america is kind of illegitimate. Anyway, I think the only thing that keeps America is one thing Well, one, we all agree to be governed and pretend like it's legitimate, whether we think it is or not. And two, it is the police state, and the police state is backed up by the United States military, normally the Navy and the Air Force. In the exact same way, when you know French, the French were the biggest superpower, it wasn't because anybody was afraid of the French in particular, it's because they were afraid of the French Navy, and the only people that could keep the French at bay was the Brits. And so everybody kind of.
Speaker 1:And of course, when, when the British was conquering everything, there were several times when they were doing that that they had a woman leader, you know, woman queen. And so what I was pointing out when I said that there were 25 countries right now that had female presidents. I don't know what you consider it superpowers, but it's Mexico, Iceland, the Republic of Congo, North Macedonia, Malta, Marshall Islands, Switzerland, the Dominican Republic, Latuania, Trinidad, the Congo, the Council of Ministers of Bosnia, Slovenia, Peru, Italy, Weak countries, Peru, you know. Italy, India, India is a nuclear country Honduras, Barbados, Samoa, Kosovo, Tanzania, Madagascar. So then we got Greece, Congo.
Speaker 2:So you have to admit that any other country, for the most part, is a dictator.
Speaker 1:Well, the whole thing is too in the overall scheme of the world. If we were just being serious, the only major superpowers right now is the United States, russia, China and India.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's one of those things where and think about that, so think about that. So you want to put a woman in charge and three of the four superpowers done bad together to form BRICS.
Speaker 1:That's what you want to do One of the superpowers China. The form breaks. That's what you want to do. One of the superpowers, china is not crazy. They're the oldest of all the empires and if you really look at the way China has behaved for almost a thousand years, it's very rare that China invades anybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but what happens when it's time to strike and get some power to them? See, that's what y'all ain't taking into account. America gonna be at its fucking weakest point when all of these immigrants come in under the new fucking administration.
Speaker 2:It's 350,000 fucking immigrants over here right now. That came in under the Biden administration. What makes you think that she's weak? I don't understand why that keeps coming, other than the fact that she's a woman. What other stats, what? What stats you have that make her seem weak? I don't understand what that comes from. I can look and I can understand. If this is like the old days where your leaders stand in the middle of a ring circle and y'all fight to the death. Okay, she's a woman. She might get killed by a man. I I understand that. It's not even necessarily that, though it is. It's how we look. It will be perceived as we.
Speaker 2:We still look like the most powerful country in the world, regardless of who our leader is, to an extent, because at the same time you gotta also. She gonna also think like a woman in there. She gonna make rational, irrational decisions over her emotions?
Speaker 1:Would you say that if you look? Would, you say that if you look at just the time we've been alive and the country's been run by men, do you think the men have been making rational decisions? Do you look at somebody like George Bush and say that's a rational actor?
Speaker 2:No, not at all. Not at all. So when you say that she think like a woman and make irrational decisions, but see, when I talk about Kamala, my beef with Kamala not even really her being a woman, about none of that shit we talking about right now my beef with Kamala is Kamala ain't doing shit, kamala ain't got nothing to stand on.
Speaker 1:So do you want to transition to the Kamala story by herself?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we can honestly pick up on Kamala. You were talking about how she rolled, how she got her trajectory.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me answer one of the questions that you posed, because it popped in my head right when you said it, and that was if they have, have anybody basically her in power, what would? What would they do? What wouldn't it be the perfect time to strike? And I would just say, what keeps that from happening is the what they call the mad doctrine, which is mutually assured destruction is mutually assured destruction. So there's a reason why when George Bush was president and Vladimir Putin invaded Georgia, he didn't do anything. And when Barack Obama was president and Vladimir Putin invaded Crimea, he didn't do anything. And there's a reason why, when he invaded Ukraine, we still aren't really doing anything, because we know that he's going to get the territory.
Speaker 2:Oh, we can't say we ain't doing that, we just got a bunch of money and weapons, yeah but at the end of the day, Ukraine isn't getting any of that money.
Speaker 1:It is not going to get one piece of land back.
Speaker 2:And they still losing the war. That's what I'm saying, but where's the fucking money?
Speaker 1:It was. But the only reason there hasn't been a direct attack from us to Japan, or Japan to South Korea, or Japan to Russia, or Russia to India or India to China is because we're all nuclear powers and all of us have basically confirmed that if we let off three nukes we're all gone. So if we labor under the assumption that the people that lead the countries are crazy, but the people that behind them, the military people, are rational, it could never happen as long as the United States has over 800 ballistic nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2:So but now let's get to the nuclear weapons will stop attack from within. That shit don't do us no good. That shit stop domestic threats.
Speaker 1:So who do you think wants to attack the United States from within?
Speaker 2:Shit, all our enemies. Everybody that's been sending men fighting age men over here. No women or children at the border, just men. What 25 to 35? Who's been sending men over?
Speaker 1:here. No women or children at the border, just men. What? 25 to 35.
Speaker 2:Who's been sending men over here. I don't know exactly who, but it's men from all different countries coming over here. That's fighting AIDS.
Speaker 1:They're not old men. They're not fucking babies yeah because if we were to talk about let's say specifically- and no women or children either. If we were to talk about specifically who came over very recently, you would say immigrants from Haiti. But you are. But we already know that there's a civil war.
Speaker 2:But I wouldn't say that. No, but I'm saying Venezuela, we got Venezuelan gangs but it's an apartment in Colorado.
Speaker 1:But it's the same. But it's not just target black, but it's the same exact reason what's happening in Venezuela right now get black people, but it's the same exact reason what's happening in Venezuela right now.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not talking about Venezuela. I'm talking about Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment complexes in. Colorado and Chicago and New.
Speaker 1:York. Yeah, I get that. I remember when the video came out I'm saying why did they flee their country in the first place?
Speaker 2:I don't know what happened in Venezuela. I can't tell you what happened in Venezuela.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you, it's because of the people in this country right now, because when they elected a leader we didn't like, we overthrew him, and the same thing happened in Haiti. So, yes, people are migrating to America in mass. They're migrating because America is literally destroying their infrastructure. A lot of the problems that happen that we deal with here is because America's murderously mellifluous around the world. Now the fact that most Americans don't deal in foreign policy. They don't know that we're running around destroying everybody's, everything you know, but that's the case.
Speaker 2:Oh, I believe that.
Speaker 1:Especially when it comes to these countries that are our neighbors in Latin America or South America. Every time they elect somebody we don't like, we kill them. There was even when Donald Trump was president. Donald Trump was claiming that somebody was over Venezuela. That was not the president. They tried to coup the country and it failed, and so then they put so then they put all these tariffs on the country to punish them because the coup failed. The exact same thing happened with Cuba. We say the Bay of Pigs, but the Bay of Pigs was us trying to overthrow Fidel Castro and getting killed.
Speaker 2:I mean, you got to understand too. Cuba and venezuela are big drug lord countries, though, so it might be some legitimacy to that shit, because, let's not forget, it's not like pablo escobar wasn't running what's that shit? He was in colombia who used?
Speaker 1:who? Were they giving drugs to us? All right, so it sounds. So it sounds like we're our own problem too.
Speaker 2:Well, I think we kind of got off of where I thought Maya was about to go with that. We do have the answer for that border. Now we have to get an answer about that.
Speaker 1:The border is a very interesting subject only because it's like your property. Every country has a line.
Speaker 2:You know, and I the administration that held that border in control of the border. Biden was in control with fucking Obama and he passed the shit to Kamala.
Speaker 1:And the shit got worse.
Speaker 2:When Obama was president, that wasn't happening.
Speaker 1:Well, they accused Obama of the same thing, and then it wasn't as bad.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying now with Kamala in charge, that shit's more open than it's ever been.
Speaker 1:But do you think Kamala was actually in control of the border or that they just said she? I think she was border czar yeah yeah, I do, because I looked at it like this BS position. They said, oh, you're the, because there's a. There's a saying where the president said the vice president is worth as much as a jar of piss, because everybody knows vice presidents don't do anything.
Speaker 2:And then when you damn sure they do. And that was my point to you about her trajectory. No the last turn, last election, she couldn't even run for the Democrat nominee because she couldn't raise enough money. Now, four years later, when she ain't did shit like you, just say she powerless. Basically she can't do shit. She's just a figure, face for real. Now suddenly you can raise a billion dollars in endorsements and you're the hottest motherfucker on the block. How, what have you done to be that hot?
Speaker 1:That was my question to you earlier, when you were talking about trajectory.
Speaker 2:Where does the trajectory come from? I think she's obviously going to be the vice president. If you go back and look at those debates, who else was he going to pick to be the vice president? I mean, it was obvious he wasn't going to pick Pete Buttigieg. That's not my thing, Josh. Okay, he picked her to be the vice president. She ain't doing shit. Where has the popularity come from?
Speaker 1:What has she?
Speaker 2:done to gain this popularity. Last election four years ago, you couldn't raise enough money to run for the Democrat nominee. Now this election, you wasn't even the first fucking choice. Now let's not forget about that. They tried to push Biden out there. Everybody on fucking TV that they've seen that Biden just can't fucking do this shit no more. Then she come in and take the nominee, and now she the hottest motherfucker on the block. Y'all don't see nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1:I think you answered in all seriousness. I think you answered your own question. It was because who they had to compare her to. You had three choices Donald Trump, joe Biden, kamala Harris. Everybody looked at the three choices and said we're going to go with the youngest and the one that seems the least crazy.
Speaker 2:No, no no, no, darrell, that is false. They did not say that shit. You know why they didn't say that, darrell? Because if that was the case, you would have let Biden finish out his little term in dark, in hiding, like he's been hiding all fucking presidents We've barely seen him. You would have let him finish out his little term knowing he was sick. They pushed that motherfucker because they did not want to put her there who pushed the democrat party, the democrat party.
Speaker 2:Whoever you want to say the illuminati I don't know, maybe it's big farmer, I don't know who's pulling the strings behind the, but whoever it was, I say nah, that that ain't doing for real, we ain't. She ain't pulling no numbers, we gonna push this, that's all. We got right here to go against donald if they would have thought she was gonna do all these. That's why I said I should bluff this fake like Colbert numbers. If they were, though, she was gonna do all of these numbers and shit, and she could pull a billion dollars in donations. What the fuck did y'all got Joe Biden out here? Have dead on the fucking podium.
Speaker 2:Well, one, I would say, because Joe Biden was the sitting president of the United States and, at the end of the day, nobody can force him out, and it's really you can't force him out, but you don't have to let him run for another term because this is how you called that motherfucker and pulled that motherfucker out of the election, out of the campaign if you were looking at it.
Speaker 1:When it was happening, joe Biden had no intention of leaving. It wasn't until Joe Biden started to say when the polls say that I'm going to lose, yada, yada, yada, then I'll leave. And then the former Speaker of the House, nancy Pelosi, went to Joe Biden with her pollster, pulled his pollster in the office and she said they're lying to you, you are losing. And then the Democratic Speaker of the House came out said he had to go. Then Hakeem Jeffers came out said he had to go.
Speaker 1:And then all the senators who actually hold the power said he had to go. Joe Biden used to be the president of the Senate. The only people here going to listen to are those other 80-year-olds still sitting there. That says, yeah, you have to go. And then you had the people from the podcast Pod Save America, which is a scam because the Pod Save America people are two Obama staffers. So when those people start saying they have to go, that is Barack Obama saying you have to go.
Speaker 2:Then Barack Obama's former chief of staff, Then Barack Obama's former chief of staff, david then Barack Obama's former chief of staff, david Axelrod, started going on CNN and saying you he has to go, he has to go, he has to go.
Speaker 1:So you had the most powerful Democrat in in the in the house, nancy Pelosi. You had the democratic minority leader, hakeem Jeffers. You had the. You had the Democratic minority leader, hakeem Jeffers, you had the majority leader of the Senate, chuck Schumer, and then you had all the Obama staffers coming out and saying you have to go. So, basically, when the party says you have to go, that's it. So then they let that op-ed out in the New York Times when George Clooney said yes, I saw him, and the Joe Biden that I saw was not the Joe Biden of da-da-da-da-da, so now you just lost all of Hollywood. And where's Kamala Harris sitting In California? Okay, so it was a hit job, but it was going to be that way. The second, the party leader, said he had to go because the one thing they care about more than anything is power. They don't care about the president, because the president does not write legislation.
Speaker 2:They write legislation. Let me stop you right there. Let me stop you right there and tell you why I disagree with what you're saying. Because Joe Biden's health didn't just start declining. Oh, I agree, his health been declining. Everybody been saying that he wasn't going to be able to run for a second term. Everybody knew that. So what was the point of even sending him out there? Like I said, if you're about the power to pluck him whenever you did why would you show your hand?
Speaker 1:Do you remember when Ronald Reagan was president? Ronald Reagan started to have dementia when he was president. Did they pull him off the ticket?
Speaker 2:did they let him run again?
Speaker 1:yes, yes, they did and he won. They hid the fact that Ronald Reagan had dementia from the entire country you can't hide that shit Joe Biden was doing. Joe Biden shit been known, joe.
Speaker 2:Biden's shit been known for at least a year and a half. No, you can't Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You can't hide it, because everybody been saying Joe Biden's health been declining for the last year and a half, when ain't nobody fucking seen it.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing, jamal. This is something that I think you have to. This is something that I think we have to deal with. That's a truism. The government lies to you. Oh, I know that.
Speaker 2:I thousand percent agree.
Speaker 1:Add that to another stack of lies. They said they were going to tell you and everybody else don't believe your lying eyes he's healthy. And Joe Biden tell you and everybody else don't believe your lying eyes he's healthy. And Joe Biden, because power corrupts absolutely. And if you're the most powerful person in the world, the president of the United States, if you got people circling you saying you're okay, he's going to say I'm okay. It wasn't until you saw the debate that even Donald Trump looked shook because you saw how bad it was. But by that time the illusion is over. They can't lie about it anymore. But all I'm saying is, even if I jump past Ronald Reagan to go to FDR, fdr literally died in office and they were hiding that he was in a wheelchair and he had polio.
Speaker 2:This is literally just what they do all the time FDR literally died in office and they were hiding that he was in a wheelchair and he had polio. This is literally just what they do all the time, darrell. See, now you're talking about shit outside of the social media age. You can't hide shit in a social media age. Like I say, people have been saying this shit and everybody been saying, oh, it's just stupid, fucking conspiracy theories that don't know what the fuck they talking about. People been saying this motherfucker health been declining for the last year and a half at least, if not as soon as he got in office, because ain't nobody seen him in the last four years.
Speaker 2:I agree he's been a fucking ghost but everybody was saying they hide him because his health is declining and what the fuck do. Lo and behold, we find out. This motherfucker health is declining rapidly at that.
Speaker 1:I get. I get that, but do you remember? I want to say it was I'll check later, but I want to say it was Hoover right when they asked. There's that famous video where they ask him will I ever be a woman president? And he says probably not. But he says what's going to happen is there will be a president in office, he will get sick and they will have to pass on the presidency to a woman. That was like 53 years ago.
Speaker 2:I saw that video.
Speaker 1:So all I'm saying is this it's already been set up that if a president has any type of problem, they're going to lie to you about it. It's already been set up that if a president has any type of problem, they're going to lie to you about it. It's already been set up that they don't believe that you're entitled to know the president's health problems. Wait a second.
Speaker 2:Wait a second. Start right there. Wait a second, wait a second, because y'all just blew my mind with that. So y'all believe a motherfucker prophesied this and y'all still gonna roll with it Now hold on. Before y'all speak. Before y'all speak now, let's take into account now that all the fucking presidents are related, right? Y'all don't know that deal.
Speaker 1:What do you mean by two things? That he prophesies it and then all the presidents are related.
Speaker 2:Just explain that, Well, what you just told me about RD. Uh, who the fuck you just?
Speaker 1:said, yeah, I'll find a clip and send it to you. I wouldn't say it was Hoover Franklin Delano.
Speaker 2:Roosevelt, Whatever you just told me that he said 53 years ago that a woman was gonna take. The woman wouldn't be president, but the president. President to get sick and a woman to take charge. So bam, that's what we're doing right now. So that's prophet time, right? I would accept that, Okay. So then we go with the prophecy. So again, damn, I lost my train of thought now because y'all done messed me up. Y'all done totally got me Y'all done. Totally got me Like my mind going with this one.
Speaker 1:See, my thing with Kamala Harris is only this is not that people like Kamala Harris? I don't think that's the case. I think what people saw when they saw that Joe Biden was as bad as they was, they went to the next logical choice. And if you listen to the Democrats in all seriousness, they didn't want Kamala Harris, they wanted Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Okay, okay, I get all that, but, like I said, back to my prophecy, because now I'm back on track.
Speaker 1:Back to my prophecy point.
Speaker 2:So he prophesied this and, like I said, we know that all the presidents, even Obama, the only black president right, is related. They all related back to the crown of England Some kind of way. All their, they all related back to the crown of England some kind of way, they all all the heritage trains back to the crown of England and all like 46 of the 47 presidents are really 45 or 47, christmas whatever. Really 46. Well, I'm the fucking president you don't like to open. That is fluid. The white hero of Eisenhower, and that's another. I can't, I don't want to say Andrew Jackson, all the other ones fucking related, even the only black one there ever was. And then we got a president prophesying that a woman gonna come to power in America, the exact way that she come to power, and we don't see nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1:Wrong with that. One of the president guys said that I was saying FDR said it. No, I said I think it was Hoover. When no, I said I think it was Hoover, but when he said it he was actually. Yeah, but what I mean? Whoever said it when they said it, he was the vice president At the time.
Speaker 2:But still, he ended up being president and he related back to the crown.
Speaker 1:I want to ask you.
Speaker 2:So now I want to say, like, how is this was a seventh grader that did this shit Related back to the crown. So we're talking about a nigga that's actually related back to the crown and he prophesied the exact same thing that happened to today. Y'all don't see that? This shit like a trick, a smoking, fucking mirror.
Speaker 1:Well, at the same time, I can say there's only been what? 46 presidents.
Speaker 2:And 44 related. Yeah, I don't know the exact number, but I'm drinking right now too. I'm London and Floyd.
Speaker 1:Hey, this show is funded by libations. I'm drinking Old Smoky Tennessee whiskey right now.
Speaker 2:Joshua, that goddamn banana whiskey shit he brought that night I'll never forget that Banana whiskey. No, I'm on bamboo rum. Man, listen, that nigga brought banana whiskey to my house one night. I'll never forget that shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, my thing is, I think it was decent.
Speaker 2:I'll give you that it was decent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. That shit was different when you guys get in your mid-30s, then you got to start drinking whiskey. Scotch blends.
Speaker 2:Hold on, I'm almost there. I'm ready to go for the mid-30s.
Speaker 1:Then you start drinking whiskey, scotch blends, that's the best.
Speaker 2:This was that, howlerhead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I drank some of that, but I like Johnny Walker Double Black, oh no.
Speaker 2:Right now. I'd draft some of that, but I like Johnny Walker in double black.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, oh, but right now I got this some Evan Williams. I have a bar in my house so I keep a whole bunch of stuff going on. But I just got a question. When you say this is to Jermon, when you say so, we see that it's a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors. What do you think is the smoke and mirrors? What do you think is the smoke and mirror and what do you think is legitimate? Even though that wasn't, it's just like a question I have.
Speaker 2:I honestly think the whole Congress, the whole government, congress, senate House. I think all of that shit is a smoke and mirror. I think the whole thing is just for the fucking public to see, because look at Trump like I tell my dad all the time, trump shows you fucking democracy at it's fucking finest. He is the definition of democracy that we want. This motherfucker got 34 felonies and about to be president, but running for president we talked about this back in June that he was going to get sentenced july and it's october.
Speaker 1:He ain't seen the first inside of a jail see, I think it's I agree, but I agree for we talked about his taxes yeah, and ever since he told hillary I get the same tax breaks that your goddamn donors get.
Speaker 2:That's why you won't rewrite the tax code but, but it's all I'll give you my taxes. We ain't heard shit about Trump taxes since I got damn date.
Speaker 1:I think it's funny only because Trump is belligerent in the sense of he was a Democrat for the first. I totally agree, he was a Democrat for the first 69 years of his life.
Speaker 2:He was an egomaniac too. I totally agree with all of that.
Speaker 1:He used to give money to all those people. That's what I mean. So when I say the system is rigged, I mean the system is organized robbery and is legal, because the Supreme Court says that money is speech.
Speaker 2:And my reason for fucking with Trump is Trump makes everything legitimate. Because Trump can't be controlled. That's why they don't want him back in office see, I think it's very different.
Speaker 1:I think Trump thinks he can't be controlled, but I think Trump is easily manipulated. I don't think so even if you listen to what Trump's own sister, who was the federal judge, said about him. His older sister said he's a child that's easily manipulated. His niece, the psychologist, says that they have an entire file on Trump about how he can Again?
Speaker 2:you ever heard of playing stupid but actually playing smart at the same time? Look.
Speaker 1:I heard of playing stupid and I heard of being stupid. That's true too.
Speaker 2:Again, I think that Trump is way more smarter than we give him fucking credit for I think he's. I think that Trump is way more smarter than we give him fucking credit for I think he's. I think he plays. I think he plays crazy. I think he plays to what everybody projects him to be.
Speaker 1:I think that Trump and why not?
Speaker 2:Because it plays into your hand when you play that role.
Speaker 1:I think Trump is transactional and the only difference, and the only and the only. And if you're transactional, then by definition you are controlled, because you're looking for constant quid pro cos. So if somebody's going to give you something, you're going to give them something. So that's why I say Trump can be controlled. If you have something to give him, he will give you something.
Speaker 2:But if he's the president, I don't think he needs no money. So you can't do that.
Speaker 1:Because the president's not about money, it's about power. Exactly. If he's the president, he's the most powerful motherfucker in the world, but he's also, I feel like in this. Say that again. What was your point, Josh?
Speaker 2:Well, O'Connell would be the exact same thing, it wouldn't be treated the same how so?
Speaker 1:because she's a woman josh, what do you when you wouldn't?
Speaker 2:be treated the same globally see, I think I I don't think, I don't think a lot of leaders would respect her but they don't know nothing about her yeah, but in the end again, like I say, unless she gonna come in and be the antichrist and be like that bitch that run Mexico right now. There's really about that action.
Speaker 1:But see, that's what. I don't see it. But I just want to say that I don't want to look at that run Mexico.
Speaker 2:She slaughtered 37 people to come sit in that chair.
Speaker 1:She's sitting in right now, but do you believe anybody can line up and get it, but do you understand I'll say this that the world as a world order. So I'm talking about NATO and all these people. They don't care who the United States president is, per se.
Speaker 2:They just want order, they want support, they want order, they want support.
Speaker 1:No, I think Europe wants order, they want stability. They want the US to continue to pay 85% of NATO's budget. You know what?
Speaker 2:Trump is not going to do. That's $6 trillion we sent to Ukraine. Ukraine would have never got that shit because Trump would have told them niggas, just like they did I'm going to lose this war anyway.
Speaker 1:I'm going to blow them to my brain. Ukraine would have been one country out of the whatever when Donald Trump was president. We still gave Egypt money.
Speaker 2:Egypt is totally different from them niggas.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, this is the libertarian.
Speaker 2:Ukraine ain't got nothing to say Egypt ain't going to lose? No, goddamn war.
Speaker 1:This is the libertarian version of me. Egypt is not an America. I have no idea why I'm giving them that money. So what I mean is we're giving them money because we're getting something out of it.
Speaker 2:Oh no doubt we're getting gold. We're getting some kind of resource from fucking Africa.
Speaker 1:That's no doubt, even if, let's say, hypothetically, trump won.
Speaker 2:But Egypt's not. No, fucking Ukraine.
Speaker 1:We're not going to act like that, before this specific event happened with Ukraine and Russia, ukraine was on our list of one of the most corrupt countries. We didn't even, we weren't even allowed to do business with them.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm saying why the fuck send $6 trillion? Let Russia take that shit and we're going to take over Russia.
Speaker 1:Egypt got two Let.
Speaker 2:Russia take that shit over, and we gonna take over Russia.
Speaker 1:These guys, two birds with one fucking stone I could have came up with that. I think the real answer To why we let Ukraine fight Is the same reason why Iran lets Hezbollah fight Because we really want to fight Russia. There's people in Washington that still live in the Cold War era, the only reason I see it is to weaken them A little bit, that's why you give Ukraine weapons era. The only reason I see it is to weaken them a little bit.
Speaker 2:Well, of course that's why you give Ukraine weapons.
Speaker 1:That's the only reason I see.
Speaker 2:To give Ukraine fucking weapons is to weaken Russia slightly. So when we do fucking decide to attack Russia, they won't be as strong as they was, say, two years ago.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure we would ever attack them, and glad I'm recruiting this around. But I'm not sure we would ever attack them and glad I'm recruiting this around. But I'm not going to say the Bill Crystals of the world and the Paul Wolf of Wishes, don't have that wet dream, you know.
Speaker 2:But I think it's only a matter of time, because it's going to be too much money to make off of World War III.
Speaker 1:Well, they just want a war period. There's a lot of money. War III Well, it's not just well, they just want a war period.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of money in war, but so my I owe a lot of fucking money in war.
Speaker 1:That's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying World War III will pay a lot of fucking bills and shit for some people, which goes back to my other point. Please try her, please try her, please try her. Their palms are sweating right now. They want you to try her. Who? Anyone, anyone, oh yeah, everybody ready to launch nuclear weapons? I'm not even talking about nuclear weapons, but, like y'all both said, everyone knows war is good for the economy.
Speaker 1:Well, the United States has figured out that the I mean look, we got to be just serious the military itself is nothing. But that's our communism, because the military is a jobs program. You know shipbuilding.
Speaker 2:You know who I think really run America, these fucking defense contractors. Well, yeah, that's, that's, that's true that's who really pulling the strings around this? All these goddamn secret defense contracts. I lived about a mile or two from larky martin yeah they're around. You can't even get near it. They have a fence. I wouldn't even try to get near that motherfucker Are you crazy or something.
Speaker 1:You're only going to ask a couple of listeners to talk about trying to get close to Lockheed and Martin. I used to work with some Lockheed and Martin guys when I worked at the Strategic Weapons Facility, but yeah, so I've always kind of believed strategic weapons facility, but yeah, so I I've always kind of believed that. Anyway, like I said, 247 years in existence at war for 215 years, and all we use at war and we ain't even at war for the shit we at war for.
Speaker 2:We at war for fucking oil and fucking minerals. We ain't goddamn at war for that though Oil and goddamn gold warfare, we had one for oil and minerals. Well, we will always know all the goddamn goals, but that's what?
Speaker 1:that's what. That's what empires do they?
Speaker 2:they expand they, they try to steal resources and people. So stupid. This ain't even about money, this about resources. This shouldn't even go like we, so stupid as to how this world really works. These motherfuckers trying to get resources, we trying to get money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, eventually. Eventually, people figure it out, but at the end of the day, there's one thing that the world's not getting more of, and that's land, and so if you're an empire, more than likely you're in the business of trying to take land and resources. You know, hawaii didn't belong to America until it did.
Speaker 2:Just like Mexico and goddamn California and Texas too. America's strong on that shit, like they strong on everything else.
Speaker 1:So now we gotta move to a fun topic. So does anybody want to introduce the specific topic of Sean Diddy Combs? I don't even know the specific topic on this one Y'all gotta introduce that one, this shit, just everywhere. Alright, so all I know is Well let me go first.
Speaker 2:Let me go first. I think I got the most controversial fucking stance on this shit. Okay, go ahead. I think I got the most controversial fucking stance on this.
Speaker 1:Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of that shit is bullshit. I think out of them 120 people that supposedly came forward, I'm gonna say probably 10 of them motherfuckers are legitimate. Everybody else, everybody, all motherfuckers was complicit. I'm sorry you can't tell me grown people think about this shit. 50 Cent been telling us this shit for a long time, right, A long time. There's been different people telling us, but 50 Cent been telling us, man, that nigga Diddy Fruity for a long time Ain't?
Speaker 2:nobody take that shit serious. So you gotta think people in that industry. They definitely know what the fuck go on at a ditty party. So if you choose to go to a ditty party and you're in that industry and you know what the fuck go on, I can't feel bad for you, like Cassie. Cassie, you was there 10 years. You yourself and your lawsuit said that you recruited 40 to 50 people, which we know. We got at least fucking double, if not triple, but we're going to take double for right now. So let's say you got 50 people.
Speaker 2:You was complicit. If you can go recruit people, you can go call the police too. You had award shows, you had banquets, you had dinners, you going out. You wasn't chained to no motherfucking post. You didn't have your motherfucking feet and hands gagged and bound and shit. You was out and about. You could have told it any time, but you helped this nigga recruit people. So I'm supposed to feel bad for you because you was the first one to blow the whistle, because you ain't have no more money and you got paid first.
Speaker 1:I'm one of them, but you ain't donate none of that money to no victims' advocate groups.
Speaker 2:No, sorry, but you, the victim, I'm kind of on the. I'm one of those. I'm coming up with Fears about this. You know wrong, right, but I do think that this is still one big distraction, I think. I think I've been you and it's a distraction to what's that. It's a look this way and we doing some shit over here too. I think they want us not to pay so much attention to what's happening in Israel and Iran right now.
Speaker 1:Can multiple things be true at one time?
Speaker 2:Did. He is guilty of what they say he did.
Speaker 1:Like I told Jalen and Steve earlier did, he is damn so guilty of what they say he did.
Speaker 2:Like I told Jalen and Steve earlier, diddy is damn sure guilty of what they say he did, but that's not why Diddy in trouble right now Diddy been doing, like I said, that video with Cassie, with him throwing that vase up, that shit was in 2016. It's 2024. It took y'all eight years to dig that shit up.
Speaker 1:Well see, but the thing is, they're saying that he paid off those security guards Again.
Speaker 2:Again. So what? Okay, wait a minute, darrell, because I'm going to ask you a question real quick and then you got the flow. What made the tape come out now?
Speaker 1:See now, this is my conspiracy, because when the tape came out specifically, it came out right after the Statue of Limitations that you know Exactly.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm telling my daddy.
Speaker 1:So I mean.
Speaker 2:They trying to fuck with Diddy but they can't fuck Diddy.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:They want to fuck with Diddy. They fucking with Diddy. Nigga, I can do this shit, but they can't fuck Diddy Diddy. They're like nigga, I can do this shit, but they can't fuck Diddy Diddy can fuck them in the ass, diddy done sent the real tapes with all the high-powered niggas across the city and they don't know where they at.
Speaker 1:But this is the thing why I kind of disagree with that, because when you look at the indictment in total, normally if you have like a RICO charge against you, you can get off because you have somebody bigger to give them.
Speaker 2:We at Rocketeer and not Rico.
Speaker 1:But Rico is Rocketeer. Yeah, we're the same thing, we're not exactly the same thing though, are we? Yeah, it's just like a. What do you call it? Like a short word or phrase, like a shorthand.
Speaker 2:But because a RICO charge is like a conspiracy charge. Well, that's a good, they really don't got it more done.
Speaker 1:But what I mean is like the problem is normally when they have like something like that, let's say like Donald Trump, for example, when they were getting all those low-level people, they didn't want them, they wanted Donald Trump, but they started to get all the small people to try to get to Trump. This is different, because they got Diddy and they're saying he's the head, and so they're saying there's nobody above him. He was the ringleader.
Speaker 2:But I think that's a narrative that's trying to be pushed.
Speaker 1:Well, of course.
Speaker 2:Because, like I said, we all know that there's bigger people involved. The same people that was involved with like I tell my dad, the same people that was involved with Epstein. Shit, you ain't heard about it.
Speaker 1:That's why they say Epstein, quote-unquote, killed him, but Epstein was different because everybody knows Epstein was basically working for the Mossad, so that's Israel's version of the CIA. Everybody kind of knows that. So at Epstein, if you look at Epstein's trajectory, you can see it was a scam from the very beginning. The guy was a physics professor with no physics degree. He's a billionaire but nobody knows where he got the money. If you had a million dollars and went to the bank and they didn't know where you came it from, they'd call the FBI before you leave the building. They're not even letting you take $10,000 in there. Epstein is so obvious because you know when you look at the story. His particular uh behavior was let go because he was getting everybody in on it democrats and republicans, you know. Was going to that island, you know over and over and over again, because that's what they do. I hate, I hate. I hate to say it like this and it.
Speaker 2:But you ain't vers, but you're bursting a lot of people.
Speaker 1:But when I used to always tell people, when you look at the US laws when it comes to sex and with minors, there's a lot of states that let that shit go at 16.
Speaker 1:The books did not even change till Barack Obama was president. You were legally allowed to have sex with people 12 years old in most states and the last state to change the laws was Delaware. So of course we made you know on the books pedophilia and all this stuff illegal. All those pedophiles did was take their behavior somewhere else. Just because you wrote a law didn't mean they stopped liking them kids. They just took what they used to legally do and just kept quiet about it. They all knew.
Speaker 2:But that's my point about Diddy. Diddy got a bigger fish to fry. Diddy got a hand to play.
Speaker 1:This is my, this was my conspiracy when it came to Diddy, which was the vodka company. So when Diddy was, I totally agree with you right now.
Speaker 2:That's why he's being punished. Yeah, when he turned around and when he stuck his dick it got shit to do with him, getting him for a billion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I mean. When he turned around and sued those other billionaires, they wanted to show him like nah, we're going to show you who's in charge.
Speaker 2:We're going to show you who got the strong hand. Nigga you think you puffy. Nigga you think you untouchable, and all this shit.
Speaker 1:Let us bring your ass back to Earth nigga.
Speaker 2:And that's why I say and no matter what niggas can tell me, whatever the fuck they want to, they gonna always try to keep their foot on our motherfucking neck. No matter how much money, no matter how much motherfucking status you got.
Speaker 1:That's gonna be a prime example of that shit, but I also believe at the end of the day.
Speaker 2:That's why I hate when niggas try to tell me oh, we all one race, we ain't all one fucking race. If we was all one fucking race, they wouldn't go out of their way to fucking mistreat us.
Speaker 1:The thing is, you still have to deal with the fact of there's going to be, no matter what society you go to, there's going to be an upper class Again that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I'm saying no matter what class you're in, they fucking. And then it's totally off topic because we're supposed to be talking about Diddy. But I'm supposed to be talking about something else no matter what class you in, they're going to always keep your foot on their neck and let you know you're a nigga at the end of the day. Look at Diddy, diddy, a fucking billionaire.
Speaker 1:But see, Michael, this is my thing.
Speaker 2:And we're looking at Trump, who everybody say financially bankrupt and all this other shit. This motherfucker got 34 fucking felonies. He out and about running a fucking campaign. Yeah, but there's a what Diddy did. Diddy got to be locked up. Bro, I can't go for that shit, bro.
Speaker 1:I'm just sorry, but my mind won't let me go for that shit. Here's the thing that I can say about the Diddy stuff two things that I really believe at the same time, I hate one. Nobody forced Diddy to do anything that he did.
Speaker 2:I always start everything off because I got into some shit with some people on Facebook about Facebook.
Speaker 1:That is dead ass wrong For what he did, but he is not in trouble, for what the fuck.
Speaker 2:He's been doing this shit for 30 years.
Speaker 1:I get that, but what I'm saying is people in power At a certain level they're going to give you enough rope to hang yourself, but nobody's forcing you.
Speaker 2:But see, that was the genius of P Diddy, though, because P Diddy ain't hanging himself. P Diddy hung them, and P Diddy sent them tapes out the country. That's why they can't kill Diddy like they did Epstein, otherwise they would have tried to off-diddy by now. But if they off-diddy them, tapes are going to get exposed, because they don't know who the fuck got them tapes.
Speaker 1:They don't know who the got them tapes they don't know where the tape's at.
Speaker 2:That's why they keep writing everything I mean. But at the end of the day, what do you think? What do you think the tape's going to show you that we don't already somewhat? Now the tapes got on there that people would never fathom the the tapes got niggas like Bill Clinton and Beyonce on there.
Speaker 1:Motherfuckers would never fucking fathom what's on tapes like that. I can fathom that, you can, darrell.
Speaker 2:You can, you right, but America can't.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm trying to get y'all to understand, y'all niggas understand where I'm coming from.
Speaker 2:America. Don't grasp shit like y'all do, I know that. But if y'all say it on one of them tapes, I guarantee you that.
Speaker 1:I don't know about that. You want a?
Speaker 2:motherfucking bet. Nigga, you want a motherfucking bet?
Speaker 1:Because see my how much, because they already. Before you say this, I want you to go, Wait, wait wait, josh, josh, wait Before you say this.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, wait, Josh, josh, wait Before you say anything. I want you to listen to me for three seconds, for 30 seconds, real quick. I want you to go look up when we get done with this. I want you to go look up Jaguar Wright. Right, you know who Jaguar Wright is, I know you're going to see him in the video.
Speaker 2:Okay, wait, wait, wait wait, wait, wait, be quiet. Just be quiet for one. Let you go 15 seconds. You know what a cease and desist is right and you know what a defamation lawsuit is right. She ain't received one of them, bitches from a man nigga she done talked about. Why is that? Why is that man you crazy as a motherfucker.
Speaker 2:With all this shit going on with Diddy and this bitch just dropped the interview with Pierce Morgan yesterday, october 2nd. That bitch ain't seen one cease and desist order. That bitch ain't seen one defamation lawsuit like Cardi B did. That bitch, tasha K, that was lying to her, saying that she had herpes and all that shit.
Speaker 2:Cardi B cleared the air with that hoe real quick. Nah, bitch, you lying on me, here's on my STD test, right here. And you lying on me and I want some money from your ass. I don't give a fuck how much money you got. Give me what you got.
Speaker 1:I'm a—.
Speaker 2:You're saying somebody's got herpes and you just lying in that reviews. It's two completely different things. No, wait a minute. So who is— Wait a minute, josh. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, josh. What she's saying about fucking Jay-Z and Beyonce is ten times worse than having herpes. She's saying Beyonce and Jay-Z has something to do with a lead death. She's saying Beyonce and Jay-Z fucking, fucking, raping kids and everything else, like Diddy is with kids. What she's saying about these niggas is ten times worse than having herpes. You know she lying, though you don't know she lying.
Speaker 2:I don't know she lying because that bitch ain't got one cease and desist order from nobody that she done talked about saying that you need to stop saying what you saying because it's a lie and it's defamation on my name and my character.
Speaker 1:She ain't got one of them orders from nobody. And who is this person again?
Speaker 2:It's your name, Jaguar Wright.
Speaker 1:Okay, see, yeah, yeah, again, you can say whatever. Okay, Josh, let me say this right now Hold on, hold on, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:People keep talking about daughter. People keep talking about daughter. People keep talking about daughter. No, no about daughter, people keep talking about daughter.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, josh. Hold on, josh, then you got the floor. People are worried about the Jaguar right.
Speaker 2:Josh, josh, Josh, hold on, then you got the floor.
Speaker 1:You got the floor.
Speaker 2:They're not worried about a Jaguar right.
Speaker 1:It's not a baller, josh.
Speaker 2:Okay, Josh, be quiet for one second. Do you know who Pierce Morgan is? Yes, I do know who Pierce Morgan is. She was on Pierce Morgan yesterday.
Speaker 2:Pierce Morgan's show is struggling. He'll do anything for you, josh, okay, josh, okay, josh, can you be quiet for one fucking second and listen for fucking what? Be quiet? Pierce Morgan's show is struggling, right? So what happened to fucking CNN when they lied on the Epstein shit? They got sued for $875 million, right? Regardless of whatever Pierce Morgan attached to some kind of brand, some type of liability insurance or whatever, if that bitch got on Pierce Morgan and lied, they would send a defamation lawsuit to Pierce Morgan and Jaguar Wright. Nobody has ever sent that bitch a cease and desist or a fucking defamation lawsuit, no matter what kind of importance you want to label her, as if that bitch is out here lying and going viral, going lying on niggas, and that shit is being made public around America. You're gonna fucking, you're gonna cease and desist, like Drake did to Montella. Don't really watch more than eight Bruh niggas. Watch every podcast. Jaguar writes.
Speaker 1:I can understand it from both perspectives. I've never heard of the person, but I can understand it from both perspectives. I've never heard of the person, but I can understand it from one aspect. One if you sue somebody for libel, it's difficult because now you have to disprove everything that they said. That probably is going to pull out a lot of your stuff that you don't want people to know about.
Speaker 1:That's one reason and then two, and then two. I could also say like maybe they don't, they don't want, they don't want to give it more, more credence than it already has. But I will say, if if the person was going on pierce morgan, which is a reputable journalist, about that you know, it may, may, even though Piers Morgan has some bunch of wild stuff on there. When you get to specific claims against a person at that statute, it does seem suspect that they're not forcing because obviously you're a billionaire, you got lawyers at your tail.
Speaker 2:You can easily file a season decision if they lying on you.
Speaker 1:So I gotta admit, I haven't heard of the person or the claims.
Speaker 2:Like you said, I want to.
Speaker 1:But I.
Speaker 2:She not even saying Hold on Daryl. She not even saying allegedly they did this shit. She's saying nah, this nigga did this shit. I'm telling you he did this.
Speaker 1:Would you agree?
Speaker 2:I'm not saying allegedly he did this shit. She's saying I know three people right now that have testified not only to what Sean Carter has done to them, but what fucking Beyonce has done to them.
Speaker 1:So will you say? Would you say in the same way, them, but what fucking Beyonce has done to them? That's what she said out her mouth. Would you say in the same way that, if she knew this information, that she was complicit?
Speaker 2:Again, I'm not saying she's not Just like Puffy bodyguard lawyer, whatever the nigga is, he keep talking and shit you was in some shit because you know too much.
Speaker 1:I always say that the people that know the most is the security. Much Well, I always say that the people that know the most is the security detail.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I agree. I'm not saying Jaguar Wright innocent, because she know too much too. So you were there when some of this shit went down, but you know a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know a lot and you're not getting the cease and desist. Like I say she's not clean at all. I'm not saying she's clean at all, but what I'm saying is what she's saying. It got legitimacy to it Because I ain't seen one cease and desist. It's easy If you lying on me to these levels saying I killed this person, I raped this person, I'm just like Diddy. I might be worse than Diddy. I'm going to send you a cease and desist.
Speaker 2:And I'm a billion there and you going viral saying this shit and this shit all over social media everywhere and niggas starting to believe this shit. Like Beyonce lost 4 million followers, jay-z lost 4 million followers since Diddy went down. Does everybody think they next? So if everybody on social media saying I'm next, I'm going to come out and say this bitch, to see some decisions and let everybody know I don't know what the fuck Diddy got going on.
Speaker 1:I will say this I haven't. They always say birds of a feather flock together. Hey, hey.
Speaker 2:Hey.
Speaker 1:What you say, Josh.
Speaker 2:They don't hang with Diddy like that. They're not in Diddy's circle.
Speaker 1:But wait a minute, because remember when Biggie first came out and everything.
Speaker 2:There's them, videos of Biggie with a motherfucking trans taking a piss in the urinal, then she in the bed with Biggie.
Speaker 1:But then there's videos of them with Jay-Z and 2 before he had the T-fix yeah, the same thing. With Jay-Z and 2 before he had the T-Fix.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the same bitch with Jay-Z in a video in a bed, she in a bed with Biggie Smalls. There's the bitch pissing in a goddamn urinal in a men's bathroom on the same Biggie Smalls video. This shit been going on in the rap game since the 90s.
Speaker 1:I just look at it like obviously we kind of all somewhat think crazy stuff going on in Hollywood. And now you got confirmation of that shit and people don't know how to wrap their head around that. Especially the.
Speaker 2:Jews. Again, josh, you can say Jaguar Wright is no one, which is true, but Tasha K was no one, too right. But Cardi B sent that bitch a defamation lawsuit and that bitch got to pay Cardi B $4 million because she lied on Cardi B's name, said Cardi B had herpes.
Speaker 2:They're saying these motherfuckers are murderers and rapists and pedophiles. That's way worse than having fucking herpes. If you're saying that about me and you lying, I don't care if you got $12 to your motherfucking name and you lying. I don't care if you got $12 to your motherfucking name. I'm finna. Come get 13 of them motherfucking $12 off your ass. You ain't finna. Sit here and lie on my name.
Speaker 1:So you say it's a different level between Cardi B and Beyonce Josh?
Speaker 2:Say that again.
Speaker 1:You say your assertion is it's just a different level between a Cardi B and a Beyonce and Jay-Z.
Speaker 2:Jay-Z and Beyonce are billionaires. They don't care. And Cardi B petted like that, that's up her alley. To stir the pot like that. That's beneath Jay-Z.
Speaker 1:Didn't Cardi B come from one of the reality TV things?
Speaker 2:She was loving hip-hop. I think. I just Wait a minute, Daryl. See, Josh, you know what I want you to do. You know who Dame Dash is. Yeah, I want you to go look up Dame Dash recent interview, Because Dame Dash asked the same question. I asked Wait a minute. Dame Dash asked the same question. I asked If this Jaguar right bitch is lying on these niggas, why she ain't been sued yet. And that's what I. This is a man with a. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Josh. This is a man with a billion dollars. This nigga said out his mouth if she was lying on me, my lawyer's a bitch on her ass. He hate Jay-Z. He don't like Jay-Z. Why don't he like Jay-Z?
Speaker 1:Because Jay-Z stole Rockefeller's day.
Speaker 2:So he wouldn't lie If you kicked me out of my damn company and you were at the billion dollars. Josh, do you understand what a cease and desist is? Do you understand what a defamation lawsuit is? If he gonna tie himself to this shit, that nigga know that shit gotta be kinda true too. You think he gonna risk his fucking fortune to fucking lie on Jay-Z.
Speaker 1:Who fortune?
Speaker 2:Dame Dash.
Speaker 1:I heard Dame Dash is broke.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, whether he's broke or not, you think he gonna risk. Okay, say he is broke. You think he gonna risk the little bit of money he got to go lie on Jay Z name.
Speaker 1:Think about that shit.
Speaker 2:If I'm broke I ain't finna risk the last few dollars I got. Trying to lie on this nigga home and then he come sue me for a defamation suit.
Speaker 1:Then I'm in a hole for real. They at a different level, but I know a bunch of broke niggas all day long.
Speaker 2:You know, but not where they can get sued. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that broke nigga would have had to come out of his pocket for some change that he done. Got that broke. Nigga would have said shit.
Speaker 1:Alright. So now I gotta go look up these I didn't know about. Personally, I didn't look at the tapes or anything like that. I was doing a diddy thing yesterday that I'm gonna post, but I just been dealing with the 14 indictments and yada, yada, yada. But look, now I got a whole nother rabbit hole to jump down.
Speaker 2:But oh yeah, this shit run deep.
Speaker 1:I mean, I wouldn't expect anything less because of they're saying it was two, three decades. You know so. But there's there's a lot of questions I always have about stuff like this. You know, you talk about all the spying that we, that we do so when people get away air quotes and stuff like this. I just said they didn't get away with anything.
Speaker 2:Everybody had to know and like I, like I told y'all earlier, did he didn't go down for what the fuck he was doing and those freak offs and all that other shit? What the fuck he did to cassie everybody been through that shit? Did he going down because he sued daily on for a billion dollars? That's what I thought too that's why the fuck he going down.
Speaker 2:Big bitch and he had never challenged the motherfucking liquor company and sued them because he wanted his own brand and rights and all of that shit. It didn't be A-O, motherfucking K. Today, like I said, they had to go dig up a video of Diddy throwing a vase at Cassie from eight years ago. What the fuck happened to the video eight years ago? Yeah, I'm the nigga that say like I say about Cassie that bitch ain't no motherfucking victim, I'm still a victim. And you recruited motherfuckers so you can go out and recruit bitches and niggas to come in here and they freak out shit. But you couldn't run to the police and say help me, this nigga doing this shit, this nigga beating my ass, this nigga raping me, this nigga having me fuck prostitutes. I can't take no sympathy for you because you was the first bitch to get paid. No, you was just broke.
Speaker 1:And then you seen a way?
Speaker 2:to get some cheese out of Diddy and you took the first bet you had because a lawyer jumped on that shit. Bitch, you ain't no motherfucking victim. You need to be right that with Diddy ass, because you told in your lawsuit that bitch said in her lawsuit she recruited 40 to 50 people. So you know that bitch recruited at least 100 people. So, with that being said, even if you recruited 40 people, bitch, you're just as guilty as Diddy. Don't give a fuck, would nobody say or think of none of that. You're just as guilty as motherfucking Diddydy because you created more victims when you could have stopped that shit. I think we can all agree, at least from what I'm hearing. We know for a fact Diddy, yes, may or may not be guilty, more than likely no, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Did he's fucking guilty? Did he's 1,000% guilty of everything the fucking they fucking said he fucking did? Ain't nobody disputing that shit? Did he wrong as a motherfucker for everything he's been doing to people for all these fucking years? Fucking these people, putting fucking ecstasy in the baby oil, rubbing it on them and shit and getting these motherfucking fuckdogs and fucking?
Speaker 1:them and raping these fucking men and shit.
Speaker 2:Diddy deadass motherfucking rogue for that shit. But Diddy ain't in trouble for what he did. Diddy in trouble for fucking challenging the goddamn system.
Speaker 1:I stand on that shit.
Speaker 2:I think that's what we all agree on? No, I think it's both.
Speaker 1:I think that's what we all agree on. I think it's both. I think he's in trouble for challenging the system, but he also did some things they knew about.
Speaker 2:Danny killing Tupac. They knew about Danny having a bitch here. They knew about Danny having Suge sit in jail.
Speaker 1:They knew about Danny killing Kim Porter.
Speaker 2:They knew about Danny fucking up Cassie for 10 years.
Speaker 1:This shit happened when he challenged the motherfucking system.
Speaker 2:That nigga could have got away with Murder, which he did, fucking several times. Until he challenged the system and said y'all bitches robbing me of fucking money. Man, hold on, man, fuck this rock shit. Man. I need to be this, this and this. Yeah, I love that, that's what did he up at that? Did he think we were watching another, another public lynching? I mean, he's a black one well, but wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute, josh, because he's not lit. You know why he's not lit? Because, if he was lit, scared to kill his ass, like elstein.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:Y'all got to pull because I want to hear y'all response to this. Diddy, a smart nigga. They can't do shit Diddy. They can't whack Diddy. They ain't going to be able to send Diddy to jail because Diddy still got tapes on niggas. That's bigger than Diddy. I agree with you on that.
Speaker 2:So as long as he got them tapes in another fucking country right now on niggas bigger than him, that nigga will never really go to jail for real. I bet you he got it made in that motherfucker. Right now he's trying to tell that nigga. Oh man, give up the tapes on Diddy. Like nah, I give up the tapes. Y take a little epstein me.
Speaker 1:I don't know, hold on to these things.
Speaker 2:I mean, I mean they wanted to make an example out of them. Same thing, another Kanye West. But you see, they try to ruin Kanye. They're trying to ruin. I think I think Connie's different money because, you can't finish, diddy, because Danny could finish the whole fucking scene that is that's what did.
Speaker 2:It was smart at first. Epstein turned over the tapes and got oh, didn't learn from that shit, did it say give me all the shit, right? Never telling y'all what it is. Giving y'all nigga shit. I ain't never telling y'all where the tapes at. Y'all can't even torture me, for real Well.
Speaker 1:The difference between Epstein and Diddy, though, was Epstein had already gotten caught previously, so people kind of already knew what the Epstein thing was. It was just like the pervert that's hidden in plain sight, and I'm going to say Epstein's shit was more private than Diddy.
Speaker 2:Because, like they said, I don't believe this fucking whole 120 people lost in Tony Bugbee shit. I think he in on the whole thing too with the fucking government, because I'm going to tell you, like this, which one is that? How the fuck you got 120 fucking victims and they done named all these fucking people and you got up here in front of all of these fucking cameras and you ain't ready to name no other motherfucking names talking about. You got to investigate are you talking about?
Speaker 1:are you talking with all these claims are you talking about?
Speaker 2:20 motherfucking. I'm talking about tony bugs, the goddamn lawyer from the goddamn civil suits. Okay, you got 120 fucking civil suits that you done did. You done took over 3,000 fucking calls and you mean to tell me you ain't did enough fucking research right now to give us one fucking name of somebody else that's supposedly on the fucking tape. You done seen.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll put it this way no, I can't go for that. I'm only going to say this. So out of 120 victims, right in theory, let's just devil's advocate here. If he did something for 30 years and there's 52 weeks in a year, it's pretty easy to come up with 120 people in 30 years. You know what I mean, Mm-hmm, If he's doing it every weekend, he would have had more.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying to Real is he dropping hints like oh, it's other names that's going to be named. Well, name them. You ain't did enough research by the time you got on the podium with 120 fucking victims. Now, mind you, he's taking 3,000 calls. He has verified 120 cases that he done filed civil suits for independently. So you done independently filed 120 different civil suits, but you ain't ready to name other names in the cases.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2:That makes me fucking delusional for real.
Speaker 1:I think we have some agreement. My biggest thing is always, even with no matter who you mention, whether it's Cosby or Clinton or Diddy, I'm always upset with the bystanders.
Speaker 2:It's like I'm never mad if a bad person, yeah, like all these niggas that want to get on podcasts. It was all 20 years ago, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm never mad. If a bad person does a bad thing, I'm upset with everybody that stood around and didn't do anything to stop it. That's always my beef.
Speaker 2:Like the bodyguard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So we got.
Speaker 1:We got one more very important topic to talk about. It is straight out of the nothing, but what we've been talking about. Later we have to talk about you and Josh's view on space.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, favorite subject.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to ask.
Speaker 2:You want first, josh? I'm going to ask you want first, josh? I'm going to say, I'm going to ask this Juman.
Speaker 1:I want you, for at least five minutes or so, if you can Tell us what your view is on space, and then we're not going to interrupt you, and then Josh gets a five-minute rebuttal.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if I need five minutes. I mean, the Earth is flat period, Like you don't see spinning or rotating, you don't see curvature. If you take flight landing plan, like emergency flight landing, everything leads to flat Earth. If you look at a flat Earth map, if you was going from Tokyo to fucking Florida, you would land in fucking Alaska. You wouldn't land there on a fucking globe earth. It don't make sense.
Speaker 1:Is that it?
Speaker 2:I mean I don't need five minutes, it's flat. I'll wait for Josh to go in and I'll reply to Josh.
Speaker 1:Josh what.
Speaker 2:I don't believe gravity is real. That shit's a myth, Because if gravity was real you couldn't throw a fucking paper ball up and it'd come straight out.
Speaker 1:So, Josh, where is what's your view and where is Jumaane in the era, If he's in the era?
Speaker 2:Nah, it's falling over.
Speaker 1:Are you there, josh?
Speaker 2:To go 25 000 miles an hour. Seven miles per fucking second. Do you understand how fast that is dora? Seven miles a fucking second. Do you understand how fast that is Dura? Seven miles a fucking second.
Speaker 1:Alright, see, my thing is now. This is one of the topics that I honestly know nothing about, so I want to ask you, while Josh figures out whatever is how did you start to think about space, the earth being flat or whatnot, and when did it when? When did when did it become important to you?
Speaker 2:if it is when I figured out I was lied about. Like I said, when we start, really, really when we start having these discussions and I start doing my homework on this, like I said, I always kind of thought this shit. But then, like I said, when I started digging deep on it, doing my research, like damn, why do all the pictures from Earth? I don't see no stars. When they take a picture from the moon, I don't see no stars. I don't see the sun. I don't see comets moving. I don't see the sun. I don't see comets move. I don't see. I don't see the other planets, I don't see shit. I don't see all of these thousands of fucking satellites they say orbiting our earth. I just, I don't see none of that shit gotcha.
Speaker 1:and so my, my biggest thing was, like I said it was it was a topic I never about, only because of my day-to-day ongoings, so I really don't have an opinion on it, only because of what I think about on a day-to-day basis. And then, if you're a Bible believer.
Speaker 2:They say God built a firmament over the earth.
Speaker 1:What does that mean?
Speaker 2:A glass dome over the earth. The earth is a flat plane. It's like a basketball. Could it have?
Speaker 1:that's the best way I can fucking describe it. You're talking about.
Speaker 2:You put the top of the basketball, and then you got the flat plane because, everything is flat. When you fly, you fly straight. You don't ever see curvature when you fly, when you're on the boat, where does the curvature ever happen? Then they tell you earth's spinning. At what? A thousand miles an hour. So when do planes catch up to other countries? Or do planes just sit there and let the fucking earth spin under them?
Speaker 1:yeah, I've heard the bible thing about the earth being a dome only because that's been a debate. So I think, yeah, I've heard the Bible thing about the earth being a dome only because that's been a debate. So I think it's Genesis 1, 6 through 8.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you this, let me say some shit and then it's going to make other people think too. I think this is hell in a sense, because if we truly trapped in a dome and can't leave the planet, you know what I'm saying. And we experienced disease, sickness, illness like it's not really necessarily. Like, like we was taught, hell is Well I think this is a quote unquote like prison, planet slash hell. Well, look, that's the quote-unquote. Like prison, planet slash hell.
Speaker 2:Well, look, that's a whole that's the only thing that makes sense for trapping us in here. You can't go so deep underwater and nobody really knows how far we've been up in the sky. You know, what I'm saying. Like you can't look at the sun and tell me that shit nine and a half million miles away, realistically.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it was Genesis 1, 6-8. God said let there be a dome in the middle of the water. Let it divide the water from the water. God made and divided the water under the dome from the water above. And the dome, I think it's one of those things where I've always said and the dome so, so uh, I. I. I think it's uh one of those things where I've always said I think people don't read where Jesus even says Satan is the God of this specific earth, the Prince of the power in the air. So it's uh, it's not. I can't say whether or not I think this is hell, but I will say that Satan is the god of this earth, exactly.
Speaker 1:He's the ruler of this realm At least according to what Jesus said Right, he's the ruler?
Speaker 2:If he's the ruler of this realm, what does that say? This is them, they're him.
Speaker 1:He's the ruler of this realm Think about all these demons.
Speaker 2:We interact with All these demons. They say that's in fucking Hollywood.
Speaker 1:Well, I agree with that because, like I said, there's a misconception where people think demons are in hell. But even when Jesus encounters demons in the Bible, they say are you here to punish us before our time? And he lets them go on about their business. So there's never a point where he cast them down to hell yet. So, yeah, it's a very interesting topic. I don't know, josh disappeared so I don't know he'll give him enough time to explain where he thinks you're right and he's, he's right and you're wrong, or whatever. I could honestly say the first time I heard about it was with y'all talking about space and airplanes and stuff like that. That was just like oh, it's kind of interesting. Only because most of the time when I deal with Americans, I'm talking about economics. You know, get some money in your pocket and you know that to me that's the real, real game. So I just thought it was very interesting that I started to hear more and more people talk about it. You know that they're being flat, is there?
Speaker 2:something to think about, like why are we here? What's the point? What's the point of if our souls go either way, heaven or hell? We get judged at the end of this life. What's the point of being here? Where's our?
Speaker 2:sign you know what I'm saying what I, what I said like I was listening, so wait, I'm gonna let you go in one second. And then, like I was listening to somebody on tiktok today, they said god is just a title. So what is his real name? If you're the son of god, what is god's real name? Because god is just a title. Right, god is like a title, oh God. The title of God is like the ruler of all, greed of all.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:So what's his name?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it look that that's just gonna get into who, who you believe, because, because you know Cuz, you know that cuz you know me like I've never really thought about that shit you are the son of God.
Speaker 1:It is kind of like a title because you know, the Hebrews will say like the Elohim or something like that. But when God describes himself in scripture, he just says I am, you know. And when John tries to describe God, he just says I am. And when John tries to describe God, he just says the word and every other thing is just like. God is just it.
Speaker 2:Have you ever seen what they describe the angel to be like with the? Eyes, yeah, yeah, that's creepy to me.
Speaker 1:That's hot eyes, yeah, yeah, yeah you just that's creepy to me there there's a, there's a I I can't picture.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness, we have. We have josh.
Speaker 1:Josh has returned my god, hold on josh, hold on, hold on, hold on josh. Let me get this point out.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, let me get this point out, josh I can't picture my god you know what I'm saying. Creating that is supposed to be like an angel like this. That's his right wing. That's why the most, that's why the most used phrase in the bible is be not afraid, because that's what they look like, that's what to experience that type of higher level being, that type of spiritual awakening.
Speaker 1:You're going to be scared but yeah, because every time, at least in the hebrew bible, somebody sees or encounters god, they say get away from me because I'm unholy that they've been. You know, now we kind of have this romanticized view of gods and angels. But if you saw angels in the old days, you wet your pants. So you weren't, it wasn't something you were trying to see. They weren't showing up to do nothing good. Not like that for real. Every time God shows up, he's delivering a message and then some retribution. But at the same time, I think, at least in the Hebrew Bible, the essence of God is always God changing himself just enough for us to try to comprehend. But also, unfortunately, if you, if you look at the text, the message is we never actually comprehend. God says something and then we debate it in perpetuity. You know so I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2:But just what do you think about purgatory?
Speaker 1:Purgatory to me is, is, is, is something that happened after the Roman Catholics took over, took over the church. I don't see anything that actually says that purgatory is an actual place, that actually says that purgatory is an actual place. You know what I mean. Now there's a place where, like you can see a text where the people are saying take my soul down the shield, and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you that I don't know how true it is. My sister said she had a dream and some lady came to her and told her yo Grandpa waiting for you in purgatory. And we all know how our grandpa was, how our feet was, I think. I think it's earth. I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:You think purgatory is earth.
Speaker 2:You think purgatory is earth?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you missed the part about us and earth being hell.
Speaker 2:I think earth is hell Because, like I was telling Darrell, if we really trapped in an enclosed glass dome, that sounds like prison, don't it? Then you judge, think about it. You judge by not only the laws of the land, not only the laws of God, but you only judge by the laws of the land too. So you got to obey the laws of God and you got to by the laws of the land too. So you gotta obey the laws of God, ain't gotta obey the laws of the land. Is this shit sound like jail? You gotta work. I think it's very good. You gotta work more. You gotta work most of your life. It's not purgatory. Purgatory. Is you waiting on Jesus? Jesus ain't having you suffering and slip-daving and shit waiting on him. This shit sound like hell. This shit sound like the crossroad between you going to heaven or hell. I think hell a lot worse yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2:I think this is the crossroad. I think this is the stage right here where you learn shit, to determine if you gonna go to heaven or hell now. Because the purgatory? No, I think purgatory is a place where the people that's already going to heaven are resting or waiting whatever for Jesus to come back, whatever, whatever's gonna happen. I think that's what purgatory is. What else happens? Because these people, if they die and ain't going to heaven, they got to be going somewhere, because you can't go to heaven, supposedly, until Jesus comes back. You have to look up the definition of purgatory.
Speaker 1:Well, like I said, think about what the Bible says.
Speaker 2:The Bible tells you you can't go to heaven until Jesus comes back to earth. Then Jesus ain't came back to earth yet.
Speaker 1:Well, that all depends If that's been in purgatory.
Speaker 2:It's got to be somewhere else.
Speaker 1:That all depends, because obviously after the resurrection Jesus came back to earth, but then he ascended to heaven. So when they used to talk about this a long time ago, but it wasn't the tribulation.
Speaker 2:It wasn't the resurrection where he supposedly came back and took all the people with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're talking about the white throne judgment and the thousand-year millennial reign. But that's eschatology. It is very interesting and difficult.
Speaker 2:You can't use your religious degree on that. No, no, no, no, no. I was about to say you're speaking Spanish to my head. You got to bring that shit down there.
Speaker 1:Eschatology is just how we say end times, so end times prophecy. So that's what eschatology means. So anybody that's talking about eschatology they're talking about in the Old Testament, the book of Zechariah, in the New Testament, the book of Revelations and a lot of people in Bible study in seminary will say you cannot understand Revelations if you have not first understood Zechariah, because Zechariah predicts Revelations and so well, anytime anybody uses the big word eschatology, that just means end time prophecy and so. But I always would just say, even when Jesus said you once walked following the curse of the world, following the prince of the power of the air, and the sons are now working, the sons of disobedience, he's talking about the God of this world. And Paul kind of affirms that in Ephesians when he keeps talking about Wait, wait wait, say that scripture again.
Speaker 1:So that's when Jesus is saying in which you once walked following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air and the spirit that now works in you and the sons of disobedience Because the prince of the air is supposed to be Lucifer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:That's what Jesus calls him the prince of the power of the air.
Speaker 2:That's my point about this shit being hell.
Speaker 1:Trust me, it's something that we wrestle with all the time, Because even in John I think John 1430, when he says I won't speak much to you, for the ruler of the world is coming.
Speaker 2:Just think about our realm. What really runs our realm? The music industry.
Speaker 1:What kind of angel was Lucifer? Well, lucifer was. Look, this is a whole like whole, whole, whole, nother conversation. So let me get into like the Lucifer thing and like a and a big pre-Christian thing. It is only when Lucifer reaches Judeo-Christian religion that Lucifer is an evil figure. When you look at the Jewish Torah before that, or all those writings, my thing about that was when does he really become an evil figure?
Speaker 2:He not because he rebels against.
Speaker 1:God, see, but that's the thing In all of the pre-Jewish texts. Lucifer is not evil. Lucifer is actually the great accuser. He's God's judgment. So anytime God wants something to be destroyed or something to be judged, that's where Lucifer comes in. Lucifer is the great accuser. He's nothing more than the person that's over the legion of demons, but they're not like demons as we know now.
Speaker 2:They're the fallen angels.
Speaker 1:So in pre-Jewish texts Lucifer's not an evil figure. Even the word Lucifer means light bearer. Again, that's my point. The word Lucifer means lightbearer, so they used to.
Speaker 2:Again, that's my point. So if Lucifer was an angel and the 200 fallen angels that fell with him, my question is like what really happened?
Speaker 1:Well, that like but you know what they say.
Speaker 2:Why did they aspire to make this many people rebel against God in heaven?
Speaker 1:Well, so look what Chris, what the I really am questioning God. Well, the traditional.
Speaker 2:It took place that made these people want to rebel against paradise.
Speaker 1:Well, the whole thing is what's that? The answer is supposed to be us? Is that most of the angels is? Is that most of the angels in heaven did not think we were worthy to come to heaven, and that's when the rebellion started. We were supposed to be the reasons that started the rebellion, because they did not agree that we should ever be able to extend to them Most of the angels in the host of heaven.
Speaker 2:So where does God fall apart with Lucifer? Because if we God's children, he should have sided with.
Speaker 1:Lucifer right. At the same time, you have to understand in this vein Lucifer is also God's child and so is all the host of heaven.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. If Lucifer sided with his children, what made him side against us? Basically, Because that's what happened.
Speaker 1:If.
Speaker 2:Lucifer was siding with us saying we should be in heaven. God sided against us, right? No, no.
Speaker 1:Lucifer said you didn't have any right to the throne, and God said you did. And so the no. Lucifer said you didn't have any right to the throne, and God said you did. And so the whole concept was Lucifer wanted to replace God on the throne. That's what. So when you look into that random verse in Isaiah 14, 13, that's what that's talking about. I will ascend to heaven. I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit enthroned about the assembly on the most highest in the mountains of heaven. Lucifer thought that, and God was like no, you won't. And he cast him out and all the half of the angels. But it also makes me kind of laugh at people. When they say there's peace in heaven, I say obviously not. There wasn't even peace.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you another question real quick. You don't think we like maybe descendants from the fallen angels that came down and made us with the work of the earth.
Speaker 1:I think that it is very specific that we are descendants of our fallen humans, and so the problem with us is we have what churches stop teaching, which is called the doctrine of total depravity. Humans are, by our very nature, fallen rebellious creatures. It doesn't matter If you look at the Bible in the most simplest context period.
Speaker 2:God, you think we're damned here forever.
Speaker 1:You think we just continue to reincarnate, which is why Jesus has to constantly send a prophet. He has to constantly send a prophet, he has to constantly send a witness Because humans refuse to get it. If you look at it from the most simplest form, when humans first came here, god gave them one rule hey look, just don't do this one thing. And what do humans do the one thing? So then God says all right, cool, cool, cool, I do this one thing. And what do humans do the one thing. So then God says all right, cool, cool, cool, I'm going to give you 10 things. Don't do these 10 things. What do they do? All the 10 things? Then Moses gives you an entire book and said don't do these 410 things. And God damn it, we did all 410 things. And that is human nature, by our very spirit.
Speaker 2:It's got to be some type of prison planet, bro, we just continue to. And then you got to think the way they disrespect God and Jesus and all of that in the entertainment industry. You got to sit back and say, damn, there's got to be some type of hell, especially if we continue to reincarnate here.
Speaker 1:We are the lowly stamp of Adam and Eve, the constant bickering and questioning everything you tell somebody.
Speaker 2:Somehow, someway, we got to be part of the fallen. That's what that sounds like we're constantly bickering and going against the word of God.
Speaker 1:We're somehow connected to the Holy Spirit. It's just like you tell a human Thou shall not. They're going to say watch me. That's true. I mean, I remember when I was growing up this is kind of silly.
Speaker 1:I remember when I was growing up and I was reading the Bible, I used to think nobody has sex with animals. This is ridiculous. Whoa. Obviously people do, yeah, yeah, I mean I was sitting on post one day in the navy and somebody was laughing and I was like what y'all looking at and they was watching these people go into smithfield packing and have sex with pigs. I couldn't believe that, like at all this human pussy and everything running around. This is what people want to do. But damn sure, somebody was having sex with a pig and somebody was filming it, thinking it was the funniest thing on earth. And then it went right on to a man having sex with a horse, and then somebody banging a monkey, then a woman banging a donkey, and it's just like humans know what they're not supposed to do, but some of them are still going to do it and then other people are going to celebrate them doing it and then at the same time say don't judge me, it's not, we are the fallen.
Speaker 2:I agree with you to an extent, because we got to be somehow, someway connected to the fallen angels. There's no way that we this imperfect and we got this much true knowledge that we suppress from because, you know this thing, we only got access to 20 percent of our brain. Yeah, if there's some kind of way we connect it back to the fallen brother, there's got to be some type of hell but you do remember, there's when, when god said, he would never restrict he would yeah, so what these is doing on this planet?
Speaker 1:but you gotta understand too like could only study that 20% of it well see, but the thing is this I say this even as an adult some people tap into deeper percentages the majority of America everybody's got different brain power.
Speaker 1:But just like the people that made the atomic bomb, you know what I mean. I'm pretty sure they didn't think what they didn't know was going to be used for. But that was definitely a different, deeper type of thinking for them to even fathom splitting the atom. You know what I mean. Just like the person that came up with the atom, you know. You know what I mean. Just like the person that came up with the atom, you know.
Speaker 2:But when all of knowledge becomes a plus and a minus, I think I'm still on the wave that this is some type of purgatory. No-transcript.